Torpedo in the water! - Page 3

JamesT73J · 06-25-06, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

That was a really fun crowd to play with, but they had pretty much dissapeared even before DW came out.

Yes. I'm going back a while now, specifically to late '02 - early '03. I think a number of us had real-life stuff going on, and if you were Europe-based it could be difficult anyway, as alot of SCHQ's players were North-American, so I had some bloody late nights - matches taking till 0300gmt were not uncommon

I'm once again heavily committed with work, but I can't wait to get back into online play, I really miss the SC games, and I like DW with LWAMI even more, so I know it will be good.

Fish · 06-25-06, 12:36 PM

No t a problem to find matches in euro time, there is even a euro virtual fleet, two to be more precise.

Nexus7 · 06-25-06, 01:44 PM

I am temporarily away (since around 10 months) from the MP matches, due to work constraints.

Bit sad to read that in this gap of time things haven't changed.

Just after DW's release I experienced this loss of fun at playing too, but i think I know why (at leaast for myself).

Monologue 1:

1. CM's detonating torpedoes piss me off big time (i know this is an old disk playing)
2. Maneuverability has greatly decreased (no dance with the fish anymore, or you loose your TA if still out).
3. To evade is just to easy. Put as many CM's as you can in the water and the fish will detonate on one of those.

CHEAP!

Monologue 2: (Part 2)

given all this "fun reducing" factors for SC addicted people, the news are supposed to be:

1. MP games with 10+ people in the same battle
2. Complexity of the battle raised greatly (need to be more smart)

3. More than one player on a single platform (if you can't communicate effectively you die)

While the Monologue1-part seems to still be the "stand of the art", Monologue2-part seem to not have taken place at all

LuftWolf · 06-29-06, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Monologue 1:

1. CM's detonating torpedoes piss me off big time (i know this is an old disk playing)
2. Maneuverability has greatly decreased (no dance with the fish anymore, or you loose your TA if still out).
3. To evade is just to easy. Put as many CM's as you can in the water and the fish will detonate on one of those.

Well, this is what mods are for!

However, in regards to number 2, the reduced maneoverability is actually a big enhancement to physical realism over SC, disregarding of course the ascending bugs that will be fixed in DW 1.04.

Cheers,
David

micky1up · 06-30-06, 07:44 AM

best thing to do depends on the torpedo if its a torp that uses doppler to track then u need to slow down (dont know if this is simulated in the game im talking from xp) put the torp at relative 120 degrees change depth accross the layer if you have one and speed up drop counter messures

LuftWolf · 06-30-06, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micky1up

best thing to do depends on the torpedo if its a torp that uses doppler to track then u need to slow down (dont know if this is simulated in the game im talking from xp) put the torp at relative 120 degrees change depth accross the layer if you have one and speed up drop counter messures

Amizaur is currently working on torpedo sensors for LWAMI4, and the doppler tracking for torpedoes is something we are seriously looking at implimenting... in fact, to some degree, this is hardcoded into DW, but the stock database doesn't take advantage of it.

So, in short, we hope to have this aspect of the torpedo sensors modelled in the next version of the mod we are working on.

micky1up · 07-02-06, 02:08 PM

another wish list is more information from the weapons which you do get in real life such as the weapon held solutuion on the target(really usefull) weather the weapon is homing when the fuse arms and when the weapon thinks its tracking a decoy as it stands the fire control area is the weak area of the game unfortunatley this is the most important area

jason taylor · 11-17-06, 10:25 PM

I got a bit of experience in evading just today. The most important thing is rather mundane. First slow down the game time as far down as it can go. This gives time to evaluate. It also gives time to go to the torpedo room and drop countermeasures. Then put on speed and hightail it out of there. Speed vs stealth is always an interesting point, but unless it is not aimed at you, the torpedo knows where to look so it is most important to not be there. Then keep makeing sharp course and depth changes for a short time dropping countermeasures intermittently. Then cut the engine when you are satisfied you have found a new hideout. This really combines the two methods. Some will say this is elementary. Certainly it is-but it is most interesting. The main point is to not be there when the fish arrives.
I had an interesting experience this afternoon. I was holding absolutely still, not daring to move while a torpedo was searching within less then 10000 yards. It got closer little by little yard by yard. Then it turned port and started to move away. Then, just as I was saying "whew" somehow it caught a sniff, turned toward me and went right for me and kaboom!

Kapitan · 11-18-06, 04:18 AM

To be honest i wouldnt use that tactic first of all righ all i do is as soon as i know the torp is about 8,000 yards away i drop countermeasures then do a 90 degree turn the flank run for a bit drop another set of countermeasures do a hard 90 degree turn and flank and if i need to do that again.

Palindromeria · 11-22-06, 06:19 PM

granted,
one must have either detected and id'd the enemy or be searching for a known type.
but doesnt knowing the enemy and therefore,
the potential type(s) of torp in the water have an effect on reaction ?
particularly the speed range and acoustic sensor ?

in some cases firing a cm is a complete waste and may lead to the torp homing in on you when it wouldnt have otherwise.

ASWnut101 · 11-29-06, 09:05 PM

hehe, when I hear "conn, sonar, torpedo in the water bearing XXX,"

You usually hear back from me, the skipper, "All back emergency!"

really: the best defence is, if possible, call in a ASW plane. Any dude who fires popshots like that will fall easy prey to a P-3. How? Simple. (I know its cheating, but if he makes you that mad, use truth. put a mark on his location. turn off truth. put a 'guess' manual contact on the mark. put track on link. Call in Me in my P-3 and Kap in his Akula. Kap gets close from another direction. he detects 'cheater' on link. I fly in in my Orion, "bombbay open; weapon assigned; weapon away;"

boom.

repeat this for about twenty times on the same player, and when your finished, tell him to play right. If he fails to listen, repeat.

Enigma · 12-20-06, 04:32 PM

Thinking more on this....

Why is it I dont get updated reports on the location of the torpedo? How far/long from impact, etc....

ASWnut101 · 12-21-06, 08:35 PM

you kinda have to do it your self... and that leaves you unable to drive.

I usually use the speed at which the torpedo pings hit you. When it is really fast and you are going slow, you can stick your head between your legs and kiss your A## goodbye!

06-25-06, 01:44 PM	#33
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I am temporarily away (since around 10 months) from the MP matches, due to work constraints. Bit sad to read that in this gap of time things haven't changed. Just after DW's release I experienced this loss of fun at playing too, but i think I know why (at leaast for myself). Monologue 1: 1. CM's detonating torpedoes piss me off big time (i know this is an old disk playing) 2. Maneuverability has greatly decreased (no dance with the fish anymore, or you loose your TA if still out). 3. To evade is just to easy. Put as many CM's as you can in the water and the fish will detonate on one of those. CHEAP! Monologue 2: (Part 2) given all this "fun reducing" factors for SC addicted people, the news are supposed to be: 1. MP games with 10+ people in the same battle 2. Complexity of the battle raised greatly (need to be more smart) 3. More than one player on a single platform (if you can't communicate effectively you die) While the Monologue1-part seems to still be the "stand of the art", Monologue2-part seem to not have taken place at all __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)

11-18-06, 04:18 AM	#39
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	To be honest i wouldnt use that tactic first of all righ all i do is as soon as i know the torp is about 8,000 yards away i drop countermeasures then do a 90 degree turn the flank run for a bit drop another set of countermeasures do a hard 90 degree turn and flank and if i need to do that again. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

11-29-06, 09:05 PM	#41
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	hehe, when I hear "conn, sonar, torpedo in the water bearing XXX," You usually hear back from me, the skipper, "All back emergency!" really: the best defence is, if possible, call in a ASW plane. Any dude who fires popshots like that will fall easy prey to a P-3. How? Simple. (I know its cheating, but if he makes you that mad, use truth. put a mark on his location. turn off truth. put a 'guess' manual contact on the mark. put track on link. Call in Me in my P-3 and Kap in his Akula. Kap gets close from another direction. he detects 'cheater' on link. I fly in in my Orion, "bombbay open; weapon assigned; weapon away;" boom. repeat this for about twenty times on the same player, and when your finished, tell him to play right. If he fails to listen, repeat. __________________

12-20-06, 04:32 PM	#42
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Thinking more on this.... Why is it I dont get updated reports on the location of the torpedo? How far/long from impact, etc.... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

12-21-06, 08:35 PM	#43
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	you kinda have to do it your self... and that leaves you unable to drive. I usually use the speed at which the torpedo pings hit you. When it is really fast and you are going slow, you can stick your head between your legs and kiss your A## goodbye! __________________

06-25-06, 12:36 PM	#32
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No t a problem to find matches in euro time, there is even a euro virtual fleet, two to be more precise.

06-30-06, 07:44 AM	#35
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	best thing to do depends on the torpedo if its a torp that uses doppler to track then u need to slow down (dont know if this is simulated in the game im talking from xp) put the torp at relative 120 degrees change depth accross the layer if you have one and speed up drop counter messures

07-02-06, 02:08 PM	#37
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	another wish list is more information from the weapons which you do get in real life such as the weapon held solutuion on the target(really usefull) weather the weapon is homing when the fuse arms and when the weapon thinks its tracking a decoy as it stands the fire control area is the weak area of the game unfortunatley this is the most important area

11-17-06, 10:25 PM	#38
jason taylor Loader Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I got a bit of experience in evading just today. The most important thing is rather mundane. First slow down the game time as far down as it can go. This gives time to evaluate. It also gives time to go to the torpedo room and drop countermeasures. Then put on speed and hightail it out of there. Speed vs stealth is always an interesting point, but unless it is not aimed at you, the torpedo knows where to look so it is most important to not be there. Then keep makeing sharp course and depth changes for a short time dropping countermeasures intermittently. Then cut the engine when you are satisfied you have found a new hideout. This really combines the two methods. Some will say this is elementary. Certainly it is-but it is most interesting. The main point is to not be there when the fish arrives. I had an interesting experience this afternoon. I was holding absolutely still, not daring to move while a torpedo was searching within less then 10000 yards. It got closer little by little yard by yard. Then it turned port and started to move away. Then, just as I was saying "whew" somehow it caught a sniff, turned toward me and went right for me and kaboom!

11-22-06, 06:19 PM	#40
Palindromeria Planesman Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brooklyn NY Posts: 199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	granted, one must have either detected and id'd the enemy or be searching for a known type. but doesnt knowing the enemy and therefore, the potential type(s) of torp in the water have an effect on reaction ? particularly the speed range and acoustic sensor ? in some cases firing a cm is a complete waste and may lead to the torp homing in on you when it wouldnt have otherwise.