SH4 Sub. Vs Sub.

peterloo · 11-18-06, 07:21 AM

Do you remember that in SH2, there is once a single mission to ask you to destroy a British sub (That should be Clyde, if I'm right). If you guys are lucky, you may be able to sink it with a spread of torp @ periscope depth. However, at most cases, you need to submerge, follow its sonar contacts [it also submerges as well), and wait for it to surface and give him a kiss of fish after running out of battery / ram it until it is wasted

Also, we won't have Japanese subs, as said as the Dev Team

Futhermore, if your sub is close to the Japanese sub, and you found that it is a KAMIKAZE sub. It moves towards you, and detonate its 600kg (for Kairyu type midget sub) / 1550kg (for Kaiten human torpedo) warhead, and then ...

joejccva · 12-01-06, 10:01 AM

You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4".

Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

Corsair · 12-01-06, 10:20 AM

SH3 is aimed at the battle for the Atlantic where the main task of german subs was to disrupt merchant traffic and nothing else. With the mods available from the community (and the much awaited GWX coming soon) I think imho that SH3 will be right on the spot and a fantastic experience.
During WW2 the purpose of subs was not to hunt other subs. If I want to do sub hunting, I shoot up DW...

I don't have at hand the stat on how many subs were actually sunk by another sub during WWII, but I would guess it must be a very low figure as I never read about any. (But I am not a Pacific specialist and not much interested by this theater besides carrier operations)

Nightmare · 12-01-06, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva

You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4".

Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

You are going to be greatly disappointed with SH4 then. It’s going to be SH3 with improved graphics in the Pacific with the US Submarines. Game play will be the same with some tweaks

Submarines of WW2 simply not engage each other submerged. Sonar was still a relatively new technology. Submarines of this era were designed to attack shipping and surface warships, not destroy other submarines. They simply didn’t have the technology to do it successfully. There was only one instance where another submarines successfully sunk another submerged submarines (read JU-88’s response), and it was more of dumb luck than anything else. It just did not happen. Historically speaking submarines engagements were where one sub caught the other one on the surface with its pants down.

U-5000 · 12-01-06, 01:23 PM

If you guys want to battle subs underwater maybe you ought to get Dangerous Waters this is where sub battles were fought. WW2 was a era not designed for this type of action, and I really don't understand why you would even care for this anyway.

AG124 · 12-01-06, 02:23 PM

Well, in terms of SHIII, the biggest problem with not having AI subs is that without them, there can be no wolfpacks and true mik cows. (There is a milk cow mod, and it is brilliant, but it's just not the same as actually having a real AI unit).

In SHIV, the previous two issues are not problems - there were no US milk cows and only limited wolfpack activity. However, there were some US wolfpacks, and many Japanese subs were sunk on the surface by US submarines (although only the US sub Corvina was sunk by a Japanese counterpart). I can understand how this would be very important for some players.

Personally, I would like to see AI programmed subs in SHIII (not going to happen now though), but I don't really care that much in SHIV, as I am more interested in sinking surface shipping anyway.

Nightmare · 12-01-06, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124

Personally, I would like to see AI programmed subs in SHIII (not going to happen now though), but I don't really care that much in SHIV, as I am more interested in sinking surface shipping anyway.

Exactly! It would be nice to catch the occasional Japanese sub on the surface, and running the risk of getting torpedoed while on the surface yourself. However I don’t want it at the sacrifice of other more important improvements.

11-18-06, 07:21 AM	#1
peterloo Commander Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 462 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Sub vs Sub? impossible with WWII technology Do you remember that in SH2, there is once a single mission to ask you to destroy a British sub (That should be Clyde, if I'm right). If you guys are lucky, you may be able to sink it with a spread of torp @ periscope depth. However, at most cases, you need to submerge, follow its sonar contacts [it also submerges as well), and wait for it to surface and give him a kiss of fish after running out of battery / ram it until it is wasted Also, we won't have Japanese subs, as said as the Dev Team Futhermore, if your sub is close to the Japanese sub, and you found that it is a KAMIKAZE sub. It moves towards you, and detonate its 600kg (for Kairyu type midget sub) / 1550kg (for Kaiten human torpedo) warhead, and then ...

12-01-06, 10:20 AM	#3
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	SH3 is aimed at the battle for the Atlantic where the main task of german subs was to disrupt merchant traffic and nothing else. With the mods available from the community (and the much awaited GWX coming soon) I think imho that SH3 will be right on the spot and a fantastic experience. During WW2 the purpose of subs was not to hunt other subs. If I want to do sub hunting, I shoot up DW... I don't have at hand the stat on how many subs were actually sunk by another sub during WWII, but I would guess it must be a very low figure as I never read about any. (But I am not a Pacific specialist and not much interested by this theater besides carrier operations) __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

12-01-06, 02:23 PM	#6
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	AI Subs Well, in terms of SHIII, the biggest problem with not having AI subs is that without them, there can be no wolfpacks and true mik cows. (There is a milk cow mod, and it is brilliant, but it's just not the same as actually having a real AI unit). In SHIV, the previous two issues are not problems - there were no US milk cows and only limited wolfpack activity. However, there were some US wolfpacks, and many Japanese subs were sunk on the surface by US submarines (although only the US sub Corvina was sunk by a Japanese counterpart). I can understand how this would be very important for some players. Personally, I would like to see AI programmed subs in SHIII (not going to happen now though), but I don't really care that much in SHIV, as I am more interested in sinking surface shipping anyway. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

12-01-06, 10:01 AM	#2
joejccva Mate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 56 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You know I could never figure this out. Sure it's nice to be able to sneak up on enemy destroyers and other ships, and blow them to pieces, but in SH3 I was wondering why we could never have sub vs sub submerged combat. It seemed like it would make sense so I was thinking.."well...it will happen in SH4". Now I hear that there won't be any sub vs sub battles in SH4 now. Ummm am I missing something here? Shouldn't this have been the very FIRST thing UBI made into this new game? I really hope that SH4 isn't SH3 with just prettier graphics. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

12-01-06, 01:23 PM	#5
U-5000 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 93 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	If you guys want to battle subs underwater maybe you ought to get Dangerous Waters this is where sub battles were fought. WW2 was a era not designed for this type of action, and I really don't understand why you would even care for this anyway.