So what can you do with a career when the war ends?

crazypete · 11-10-06, 11:17 PM

I just managed to survive my very first campaign as a type 7 commander. I am now saving myself for GWX for my next campaign. Meanwhile I was wondering, is there a way to roll back the date or start a new career using the old career and crew back in 1939?

What can I do with my kaleun now?

LZ_Baker · 11-10-06, 11:27 PM

Sail to Argentina?

Krumenacker · 11-11-06, 12:17 AM

Consider yourself lucky. The British Admiralty is quite aware of their own questionable behavior. Therefore you will not be persecuted for war crimes. Go home, write a book, drink beer, make questionable decisions regarding the opposite sex, etc.

Tachyon · 11-11-06, 03:34 AM

Doenitz wasn't as lucky as his U-Boat commanders. Got accused of several warcrimes....rather unfairly in my opinion.

hyperion2206 · 11-11-06, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

Doenitz wasn't as lucky as his U-Boat commanders. Got accused of several warcrimes....rather unfairly in my opinion.

One must not forget that Dönitz was a convinced Nazi and hes was the last leader of Nazi Germany. I guess he can be lucky he was only sentenced to 10 years in prison.

HunterICX · 11-11-06, 06:04 AM

After war? I,m going to jail nooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meh...they put me in jail for beeing too good :rotfl: my current career has already 250.000 tons in his pocket

Tachyon · 11-11-06, 06:09 AM

Doenitz was never a member of the Nazi party FYI. And the trial was widely criticized even by Allied Commanders.

andy_311 · 11-11-06, 06:14 AM

MY last career which I finished last w/end I got the message on the9/5/45 the war is over but when I got the message I was in the carribean so I decided to sail back along the west coast and did a spot of piracy (payback) when I returned to w/haven and hit escape instead of telling me a summery of patrol and stating the war is over i hit the screen for my next patrol and was supprised to see that I was transfered to Flansburg and was assigned to patrol grid 0 this continued to happen for next 4 patrols before it said the war is over.Just thought I mention it I have finished 6 careers now and this was a first.

Jimbuna · 11-11-06, 06:17 AM

trade in your old career for a new one :hmm:

STEED · 11-11-06, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hyperion2206

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

Doenitz wasn't as lucky as his U-Boat commanders. Got accused of several warcrimes....rather unfairly in my opinion.

One must not forget that Dönitz was a convinced Nazi and hes was the last leader of Nazi Germany. I guess he can be lucky he was only sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Doenitz was charged on counts 1,2 & 3 he was found not guilty on count 1 but guilty on counts 2 & 3, Doenitz would have been hung for his crime. The man who saved him from being hung was Nimitz's who stated he gave the same order of waging unrestricted submarine warfare.

hyperion2206 · 11-11-06, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

Doenitz was never a member of the Nazi party FYI. And the trial was widely criticized even by Allied Commanders.

You don't have to be a member of the NSDAP to support their cause. And Dönitz wasn't awarded the golden Memberbadge of the NSDAP for nothing and Hitler didn't chose him as his successor for nothing. I don't say that he was a "real" Nazi who wanted to get rid of the Jews but he surely was in favor of a strong and dominating Germany.
Sorry for hijacking this thread!

Faamecanic · 11-11-06, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperion2206

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

Doenitz was never a member of the Nazi party FYI. And the trial was widely criticized even by Allied Commanders.

You don't have to be a member of the NSDAP to support their cause. And Dönitz wasn't awarded the golden Memberbadge of the NSDAP for nothing and Hitler didn't chose him as his successor for nothing. I don't say that he was a "real" Nazi who wanted to get rid of the Jews but he surely was in favor of a strong and dominating Germany.
Sorry for hijacking this thread!

FWIW...you should read his biography "10 years and 20 days"...you can get it on Amazon.

According to Donitz he did NOT know about the attrocities committed by Himmler and crew. And when he found out "via the Stars and Stripes US military newspaper" about the death camps he was disgusted.

Donitz even dis-obeyed Hitler when told that ALL military members will give the Nazi salute or face charges of sedition (after the attempt to assisnate him). Dontiz refuse to have his men salute in anything other than the traditional German Navy way...

Donitz wanted what any Military man, or patriot, wants for his country... after reading his book I think he really did disapprove of the Nazi party, and only wanted his country to be strong after 20+ years of Germany being stiffled and economically depressed by the Treaty of Versailles.

Dont get me wrong, Not that Germany didnt deserve what happed after WWI...but we (the USA, and UK) kinda brought the Nazi party into power...but thats another subject to Hi-jack a thread with :rotfl:

Krumenacker · 11-12-06, 01:31 AM

The main reason he was involved in the war crime prosecutions was the suicide of Hitler. Doenitz wanted to be the #1 man in Germany. He gladly took over the post of fuhrer after "The Furhrer" was dead. He complained about cell #3, he should have cell #1. No kaluen was prosecuted for war crimes. This was due both to the behavior of American and British submarine forces(unrestricted warfare), and the actions of those sunk(carrying contraband, sailing in convoys, sailing with lights off, etc.). The few examples of legit neutrals sank resulted in punishment handed out by BDU.

Krumenacker · 11-12-06, 01:37 AM

Also Germany didn't deserve what happened after WWI, to disagree with previous poster. The Germans entered WWI because of treaties, not from aggression. You may remember christian/muslim friction caused WWI. Germany was targetted to pay for the war becuase they were both the richest loser and the most powerful previous to the assassination.

USS Sea Tiger · 11-12-06, 04:17 AM

If ever your really bored and want to read the transcripts of his trial,, it is very good reading and some aspects quite damning. No side was perfect in its conduct during any war in history.
The main items they found to convict him were two.

(1) of was having his fleet ready and able to fight a war, which if he did not do, his own country should have sacked him.

and (2) knowingly using slave labor, Namely in building the U-boat pens. the Valentin pen mostly due to over 4000 forced labors dead during its construction. Doenitz states he had little knowedge of this,, but for a man who paid so much attention to details, and visited on many occasions these pens while being built, I think he had to know. But in defence of him, If slave labor was not used,, these all important defenses would have never been built and his U-boat fleet would have been in ruins much sooner. Damned if you do,, damned if you don't

Who is to say then what was correct, Morally yes, an easy answer,, but if it were your troops who would die to be morally correct, or your troops live and unknown forced laborers die, not many of us would stand and allow our own to die when there is a simple but morally wrong decision to be made.

stepping off the soap box for now.

U-94 diving deep and bracing for Wabbos

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USS Sea Tiger XO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 425 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	About Doenitz If ever your really bored and want to read the transcripts of his trial,, it is very good reading and some aspects quite damning. No side was perfect in its conduct during any war in history. The main items they found to convict him were two. (1) of was having his fleet ready and able to fight a war, which if he did not do, his own country should have sacked him. and (2) knowingly using slave labor, Namely in building the U-boat pens. the Valentin pen mostly due to over 4000 forced labors dead during its construction. Doenitz states he had little knowedge of this,, but for a man who paid so much attention to details, and visited on many occasions these pens while being built, I think he had to know. But in defence of him, If slave labor was not used,, these all important defenses would have never been built and his U-boat fleet would have been in ruins much sooner. Damned if you do,, damned if you don't Who is to say then what was correct, Morally yes, an easy answer,, but if it were your troops who would die to be morally correct, or your troops live and unknown forced laborers die, not many of us would stand and allow our own to die when there is a simple but morally wrong decision to be made. stepping off the soap box for now. U-94 diving deep and bracing for Wabbos

11-10-06, 11:17 PM	#1
crazypete Bosun Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	So what can you do with a career when the war ends? I just managed to survive my very first campaign as a type 7 commander. I am now saving myself for GWX for my next campaign. Meanwhile I was wondering, is there a way to roll back the date or start a new career using the old career and crew back in 1939? What can I do with my kaleun now?

11-11-06, 12:17 AM	#3
Krumenacker Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 19 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Consider yourself lucky. The British Admiralty is quite aware of their own questionable behavior. Therefore you will not be persecuted for war crimes. Go home, write a book, drink beer, make questionable decisions regarding the opposite sex, etc.

11-11-06, 03:34 AM	#4
Tachyon Captain Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: India Posts: 514 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Doenitz wasn't as lucky as his U-Boat commanders. Got accused of several warcrimes....rather unfairly in my opinion.

11-11-06, 06:09 AM	#7
Tachyon Captain Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: India Posts: 514 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Doenitz was never a member of the Nazi party FYI. And the trial was widely criticized even by Allied Commanders.

11-11-06, 06:14 AM	#8
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	MY last career which I finished last w/end I got the message on the9/5/45 the war is over but when I got the message I was in the carribean so I decided to sail back along the west coast and did a spot of piracy (payback) when I returned to w/haven and hit escape instead of telling me a summery of patrol and stating the war is over i hit the screen for my next patrol and was supprised to see that I was transfered to Flansburg and was assigned to patrol grid 0 this continued to happen for next 4 patrols before it said the war is over.Just thought I mention it I have finished 6 careers now and this was a first.

11-12-06, 01:31 AM	#13
Krumenacker Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 19 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The main reason he was involved in the war crime prosecutions was the suicide of Hitler. Doenitz wanted to be the #1 man in Germany. He gladly took over the post of fuhrer after "The Furhrer" was dead. He complained about cell #3, he should have cell #1. No kaluen was prosecuted for war crimes. This was due both to the behavior of American and British submarine forces(unrestricted warfare), and the actions of those sunk(carrying contraband, sailing in convoys, sailing with lights off, etc.). The few examples of legit neutrals sank resulted in punishment handed out by BDU.

11-12-06, 01:37 AM	#14
Krumenacker Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 19 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Also Germany didn't deserve what happened after WWI, to disagree with previous poster. The Germans entered WWI because of treaties, not from aggression. You may remember christian/muslim friction caused WWI. Germany was targetted to pay for the war becuase they were both the richest loser and the most powerful previous to the assassination.