Flag burning

[fredbass]

Originally Posted by August

I voted no. People should have the right to burn a flag in a protest. Of course it'd be nice if I had the right to punch them in the nose for doing it.

Now come on August, you know that's a double standard, just vote yes like me.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This old veteran voted no. If we protect the symbol of freedom by taking away the freedom itself, exactly what have we accomplished?

Thats pretty much how i feel. I dont beleive in burning our nations flag, but it's a form of expression, and as much as i dont agree with that particular form of expression, you have a right to express yourself.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by fredbass

Now come on August, you know that's a double standard

No. August asked for just 1 punch - not 2. :p

[STEED]

Democracy gives you the right to protest but too burn your country's flag is like saying to hell with you and your country and your democracy.

Thats my 2 cents worth.

I live in England, let me rephrase that one.

That's my pounds worth.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Burning Flags should be legal. It's just a damn piece of Textile, let it burn.

(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p)

It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.

Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful. I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.

But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.

Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful. I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.

But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across!

So, you plan on voting yes then because they won't allow you to beat the ever living crap out of them?

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah. And they might be bigger than me

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aaah, but burning flags will contribute carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. So burning flags are a source of global warming!

I agree on this point only...pollution is evil...no flag burning.

[jumpy]

As an amusing asside, I wonder what Dr. Zee would have to say about all of this... Celebrating Freedom Day in Futurama lol freedom to do anything, except burn the emblem of freedom day etc etc the irony.
Tickled my funnybone thinking about this thread.

[Ducimus]

LOL you guys know that there is a condition where your SUPPOSED to burn the flag?

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

LOL you guys know that there is a condition where your SUPPOSED to burn the flag?

According to my Boy Scout training when the flag is no longer servicable, or stained or torn. Of course location (and intent) is everything.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

According to my Boy Scout training when the flag is no longer servicable, or stained or torn. Of course location (and intent) is everything.

LOL boy scout manual? *shrug* I grew up as one of those flag worshipping cadets before i joined the real military, anywho, i *think* you can add, when the flag touches the ground to that list as well. Was just checking to see if anyone knew was all. It's always fun to catch people so quick to wave the flag around, yet not have much of a clue about proper flag etiquette.

A proper burning is supposed to be private, and not in view. Basically go back behind some building, drop it (properly folded of course) into some high rimmed can so you cant see it from the side, squirt some lighter fluid on it and toss in a match. Afterwords you put a lid on it walk away, and try to not feel like you did something wrong. LOL.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.

So what? If someone burns a Che flag, i just say "To hell with you retard" and then move along. It's this persons right to do whatever they want with a flag.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful.

Or sometimes needed to express that the governement sucks.

First you say:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.

(I agree that wife-beating and child porn are lowlife stuff, just for the records)

But then you say:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across!

Am i the only one who feels that this 2 sentences don't mix very well?

With such an violent act, don't you think you are going down to the level of the people you "hate"?

Originally Posted by STEED

Democracy gives you the right to protest but too burn your country's flag is like saying to hell with you and your country and your democracy.

If i burn my countrys flag, why do i say "to hell with me"?

Thats "fredbass patriotic logic" as i call it. According to him i need to leave the planet because i do not stand for pledges of any country, anywhere. Yes, thats right, i don't "belong" to any country.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

LOL boy scout manual? *shrug* I grew up as one of those flag worshipping cadets before i joined the real military, anywho, i *think* you can add, when the flag touches the ground to that list as well. Was just checking to see if anyone knew was all. It's always fun to catch people so quick to wave the flag around, yet not have much of a clue about proper flag etiquette.

Sorry for spoiling your ambush. You're wrong about touching the ground though. You're not supposed to let the flag touch the ground but if it does that's not a reason to destroy it.

As for the Boy Scouts i'll leave my comments on your obvious hatred for that great and venerable institution for another thread.

Well, except for this:

A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.

All things we could use more of in our young people these days.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

As for the Boy Scouts i'll leave my comments on your obvious hatred for that great and venerable institution for another thread.

I don't hate the boy scouts. Crips, my kid brothers in the boy scouts. I just never thought of one of their manual's as a source of such info is all. edit: i think my sarchasm was borne from what was probably tantamount to interservice rivalry. Theres alot of youth organizations, and every one of them thinks their all that and a bag of chips. (sea cadets, young marines, ROTC, CAP, etc etc)