Hardware\Grey Wolves Supermod question

NipplesTheCat · 10-31-06, 03:17 PM

Well, sometimes it crashes to desktop and other times it just reboots itself. Im not concerned with the rebooting bc my video card requires a 300w ps and I only have a 250w. The computer has been known to restart every now and then while playing newer games such as morrowind oblivion but its not nearly as common as it is when I try to play SHIII with the GW mod. I can play oblivion for hours and not get a reboot. In the few weeks that I played vanilla SHIII it may have restarted on me once, but it def was not an issue. Now with the mod installed I get crashes to the desktop before I can even get out of harbor. It doesnt seem to reboot any more than it did but as far as overall stability.... I redownloaded the mod from another FTP and im going to try a reinstall and see if thats stable and if it is ill try the redownloaded mod on top of it.

bigboywooly · 10-31-06, 03:44 PM

May well be your PSU as you think
I had a similar problem where my comp would reboot itself so I doubled the size of my power supply
Not done it since then

Its one thing easily overlooked - people upgrade the video card but forget the extra strain on the power supply

I did

:rotfl:

Respenus · 10-31-06, 05:20 PM

RAM!!!

That is your only problem. SH3 is a memory hog. It will take 1GB RAW RAM to run a supermoded SH3. 512Mb and you're out of the picture. It was enough for vanilla, but not for modded!

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-31-06, 05:47 PM

"Recommended specs" on the SH3 box cover should read "Mandatory Specs" STOCK SH3 only runs so-so using recommended specs.

I've described this more in detail on the "GWX News" thread. It would be informative if you reviewed it.

In short though... even without GW or GWX... 1gig of RAM should be a required spec to run SH3 stock.

stabiz · 10-31-06, 06:35 PM

Nah ... this sounds like psu trouble. Rebooting is not a RAM disease. CTD, on the other hand ...

I would seriously try to upgrade all parts, if I were you. You dont have to shell out alot of money to get this game (and many others) running just fine.

P_Funk · 11-03-06, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

"Recommended specs" on the SH3 box cover should read "Mandatory Specs" STOCK SH3 only runs so-so using recommended specs.

I've described this more in detail on the "GWX News" thread. It would be informative if you reviewed it.

In short though... even without GW or GWX... 1gig of RAM should be a required spec to run SH3 stock.

Actually I can disagree. I have 512 RAM and have been running SH3 since the day I bought it (before I joined SubSim) and have run it both vanilla and modded since.

I have noticed slight slowdown with GW 1.1a but that is because I have the seafloor installed and needed to clean up windows. Before my windows install went south I actually had a good period after I installed GW where I got decent FPS around ports and convoys.

Before I play SH3 with GW I usually restart the computer and then turn anything and everything off. I also used a very good tweak guide to making XP run as fast as possible.

So it can be done with 512 RAM but it takes conscious knowledge of your system. If the reports of GWX being no slower than GW1.1a are true then I shouldn't have a problem.

NipplesTheCat · 11-04-06, 04:23 PM

I havent had a hard reboot since the new ram either. Im wondering if im so close to maxing out my PSU that if the computer has to spin the HDD feverishly for the page file that it occasionally cant keep up. Just a theory. BTW before I started SHIII I was already using 250-300mb of my 512mb. Id say I was having some serious memory issues.

Potoroo · 10-31-06, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NipplesTheCat

Well, sometimes it crashes to desktop and other times it just reboots itself. Im not concerned with the rebooting bc my video card requires a 300w ps and I only have a 250w.

Random reboots under load is usually a sure sign of an inadequate or failing PSU. However, what matters most is not the PSU's nominal total wattage but its real 12v capacity. The x1300 is not a power hog, drawing about 31W in 3D mode, so if your system is not otherwise drawing heavily on the 12v rail(s) I'd suspect the PSU is failing.

NipplesTheCat · 11-01-06, 02:27 AM

I think I have it figured out. I have manually increased the size of the page file to 1024mb. For whatever reason it is set to manual and not auto. I didnt want to change the way it was handled so I just adjusted the size of the file from 7XXMB to 1024. No more CTD. Still need more ram as I am having some very minor performance troubles. The random rebooting (has not happened since I increased the page file) is, I am sure, caused by the PSU. As we speak I am looking at St Nazarine through my binoculars so I think im ok (knocks on wood). I am impressed so far. The only thing I have noticed is that the light houses still shine through everything. I thought that was fixed in the supermod. Am I wrong? Thanks for all the help. Seems I had 2 problems and everyone was right.

P.S. Anyone know where to get a 512mb stick of PC2100 non ECC?

d@rk51d3 · 11-01-06, 02:45 AM

Sounds like PSU to me, either that or overclocking software.

NipplesTheCat · 11-01-06, 05:00 AM

Ive been playing non stop since my last post a fwe hours ago. Seems as though things are back to normal. Better than normal you could say, now that the mod is working. I finally noticed that I was getting memory messages in the background that I couldnt see because of the game. Increased the size of the page file and it took care of it. Still need more ram though.

NipplesTheCat · 11-03-06, 08:04 PM

Upgraded RAM problem resolved. Im loving the challenge, even now in 1939. I spent days upon days trying to get this to work. I even had to buy another 512 stick of ram. Was is worth it? .....totally

ecm747x · 11-03-06, 10:56 PM

Good deal, glad you are now on your boat and enjoying the mod. Now, hook up with some of us on the weekend and play some MP missions with us. Is a lot of fun...

10-31-06, 03:44 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	May well be your PSU as you think I had a similar problem where my comp would reboot itself so I doubled the size of my power supply Not done it since then Its one thing easily overlooked - people upgrade the video card but forget the extra strain on the power supply I did :rotfl: __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-31-06, 05:20 PM	#3
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	RAM!!! That is your only problem. SH3 is a memory hog. It will take 1GB RAW RAM to run a supermoded SH3. 512Mb and you're out of the picture. It was enough for vanilla, but not for modded! __________________

10-31-06, 05:47 PM	#4
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,995 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	"Recommended specs" on the SH3 box cover should read "Mandatory Specs" STOCK SH3 only runs so-so using recommended specs. I've described this more in detail on the "GWX News" thread. It would be informative if you reviewed it. In short though... even without GW or GWX... 1gig of RAM should be a required spec to run SH3 stock. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

10-31-06, 06:35 PM	#5
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Nah ... this sounds like psu trouble. Rebooting is not a RAM disease. CTD, on the other hand ... I would seriously try to upgrade all parts, if I were you. You dont have to shell out alot of money to get this game (and many others) running just fine. __________________

10-31-06, 03:17 PM	#1
NipplesTheCat 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well, sometimes it crashes to desktop and other times it just reboots itself. Im not concerned with the rebooting bc my video card requires a 300w ps and I only have a 250w. The computer has been known to restart every now and then while playing newer games such as morrowind oblivion but its not nearly as common as it is when I try to play SHIII with the GW mod. I can play oblivion for hours and not get a reboot. In the few weeks that I played vanilla SHIII it may have restarted on me once, but it def was not an issue. Now with the mod installed I get crashes to the desktop before I can even get out of harbor. It doesnt seem to reboot any more than it did but as far as overall stability.... I redownloaded the mod from another FTP and im going to try a reinstall and see if thats stable and if it is ill try the redownloaded mod on top of it.

11-04-06, 04:23 PM	#7
NipplesTheCat 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I havent had a hard reboot since the new ram either. Im wondering if im so close to maxing out my PSU that if the computer has to spin the HDD feverishly for the page file that it occasionally cant keep up. Just a theory. BTW before I started SHIII I was already using 250-300mb of my 512mb. Id say I was having some serious memory issues.

11-01-06, 02:27 AM	#9
NipplesTheCat 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I think I have it figured out. I have manually increased the size of the page file to 1024mb. For whatever reason it is set to manual and not auto. I didnt want to change the way it was handled so I just adjusted the size of the file from 7XXMB to 1024. No more CTD. Still need more ram as I am having some very minor performance troubles. The random rebooting (has not happened since I increased the page file) is, I am sure, caused by the PSU. As we speak I am looking at St Nazarine through my binoculars so I think im ok (knocks on wood). I am impressed so far. The only thing I have noticed is that the light houses still shine through everything. I thought that was fixed in the supermod. Am I wrong? Thanks for all the help. Seems I had 2 problems and everyone was right. P.S. Anyone know where to get a 512mb stick of PC2100 non ECC?

11-01-06, 02:45 AM	#10
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,952 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Sounds like PSU to me, either that or overclocking software.

11-01-06, 05:00 AM	#11
NipplesTheCat 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Ive been playing non stop since my last post a fwe hours ago. Seems as though things are back to normal. Better than normal you could say, now that the mod is working. I finally noticed that I was getting memory messages in the background that I couldnt see because of the game. Increased the size of the page file and it took care of it. Still need more ram though.

11-03-06, 08:04 PM	#12
NipplesTheCat 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Upgraded RAM problem resolved. Im loving the challenge, even now in 1939. I spent days upon days trying to get this to work. I even had to buy another 512 stick of ram. Was is worth it? .....totally

11-03-06, 10:56 PM	#13
ecm747x Gunner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA, Indiana Posts: 94 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Good deal, glad you are now on your boat and enjoying the mod. Now, hook up with some of us on the weekend and play some MP missions with us. Is a lot of fun...