U.S.N buys Ruskie sub

[SUBMAN1]

Here is the USS Archerfish Los Angeles class:

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Here is the USS Archerfish Los Angeles class:

SUBMAN1...The Archerfish wasn't a 688...it was a Sturgeon class. 688's are named for cities, except the Herman G. Rickover.

[Kapitan]

I can see your point but the alfa would never be placed in escort duty to a boomer the soviets are not that dumb most SSBN's patrol alone or with a submarine of equal quietness ie akula escorts delta or typhoon ect.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I can see your point but the alfa would never be placed in escort duty to a boomer the soviets are not that dumb most SSBN's patrol alone or with a submarine of equal quietness ie akula escorts delta or typhoon ect.

I read stories of tracking ALfa's with Russian Boomers!!! That is not true either!

-S

[HunterICX]

Kapitan and subman shows us the reason why
America and Russia are still building newer subs just to show how big their c**** is.

dont take this too personally

[Kapitan]

Alfa would never ever and to my knowlege has never escorted any submarine, in a time of war they would be used as decoy submarines simply because they are loud.

Ok so theres no place for them in this day and age but back then they were very usefull bit of kits if not millaterily then pschcologicaly.

The alfa is like a pre orderd package, what you see is what you get its realy that simple.

They also have five bladed screw which is why they are so loud the shaft coulnt take the wieght of the 7 blade screw plus the screw is small.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Kapitan and subman shows us the reason why
America and Russia are still building newer subs just to show how big their c**** is.

dont take this too personally

Nice

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Alfa would never ever and to my knowlege has never escorted any submarine, in a time of war they would be used as decoy submarines simply because they are loud.

Ok so theres no place for them in this day and age but back then they were very usefull bit of kits if not millaterily then pschcologicaly.

The alfa is like a pre orderd package, what you see is what you get its realy that simple.

They also have five bladed screw which is why they are so loud the shaft coulnt take the wieght of the 7 blade screw plus the screw is small.

Check this site out Kapitan - http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/cadre...hotos%20N1.htm

All pics. I wish I could read better French.

-S

[Linton]

In the early 1950s a concept of the fighter submarine was considered.A fighter is a point defense weapon used to defend an area but has a good turn of speed to get about its allotted box and interdict.The concept was studied in the RN but was abandoned.As we have seen before the cccp had a submarine for every task and often for only an individual task hence the Alfa.What the USN are buying it for I do not know.A submarine is a black cat in a darkened room-you may not even be sure it is there but the threat remains.A loud submarine darting around causing a lot of noise negates its greatest strength -stealth!It then turns into your daughters stereo!!

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Linton

In the early 1950s a concept of the fighter submarine was considered.A fighter is a point defense weapon used to defend an area but has a good turn of speed to get about its allotted box and interdict.The concept was studied in the RN but was abandoned.As we have seen before the cccp had a submarine for every task and often for only an individual task hence the Alfa.What the USN are buying it for I do not know.A submarine is a black cat in a darkened room-you may not even be sure it is there but the threat remains.A loud submarine darting around causing a lot of noise negates its greatest strength -stealth!It then turns into your daughters stereo!!

It depends really, what if the mission at hand doesn't require stealth ?
Imagine this : 5 alfa's running towards an american battlegroup ready to sink the aircarft carrier.
A lot of 688i are there for interdiction.
The 688/688i are stealthier but their weapons proves ineffective against the alfas because of speed.
American subs have always had a great advantage in terms of stealth, but what good is a weapon (in this case a torpedo) that can't get at the target because the target outruns the torpedo ?
Now if the Alfa were slow and loud I would agree that it wouldn't have had any practical use, but thats not the case.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by goldorak

It depends really, what if the mission at hand doesn't require stealth ?
Imagine this : 5 alfa's running towards an american battlegroup ready to sink the aircarft carrier.
A lot of 688i are there for interdiction.
The 688/688i are stealthier but their weapons proves ineffective against the alfas because of speed.
American subs have always had a great advantage in terms of stealth, but what good is a weapon (in this case a torpedo) that can't get at the target because the target outruns the torpedo ?
Now if the Alfa were slow and loud I would agree that it wouldn't have had any practical use, but thats not the case.

The Alfa's would be detected and fired upon on approach before they even knew they had a torpedoe inbound. By that time, its too late. To run is one thing, to continue on to your target is abother. Besides, carriers com bristeling with inconvenient (for an Alfa that is) Helo's and anti sub forces.

-S

[Bort]

Just to put an end to the whole "can the 688 class go under the ice or not" debate, according to the USNI Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet (18th ed.) the original 688 class "lacks under ice or mine laying capabilities." These shortcomings were rectified in the 688I design, and was the primary reason the planes were moved from the sail to the hull. Sturgeon class subs however, had ice hardened sails and could surface through ice, and carried out most arctic research missions until they were all finally retired.
The reason the 688 class was not designed to go through ice was probably rooted to the overall concept behind the class. The 688's were intended to operate with CVBG's and therefore being ice hardened was probably thought to be unnecessary.

[Kapitan]

The 688i's were changed good idea that was they are good boats but now old seawolf is alot better, if only the USN had 40 of them.

[ASWnut101]

which is why theres the Virginia.....

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by goldorak

It depends really, what if the mission at hand doesn't require stealth ?
Imagine this : 5 alfa's running towards an american battlegroup ready to sink the aircarft carrier.
A lot of 688i are there for interdiction.
The 688/688i are stealthier but their weapons proves ineffective against the alfas because of speed.
American subs have always had a great advantage in terms of stealth, but what good is a weapon (in this case a torpedo) that can't get at the target because the target outruns the torpedo ?
Now if the Alfa were slow and loud I would agree that it wouldn't have had any practical use, but thats not the case.

I guess it would be hard for them to outrun a torpedo while running towards the one who fired the torpedo. Besides, even if the torpedo can't catch them, that's what rocket propelled nuclear depth charges are for.