Realistic Dive sequence Mod

Sailor Steve · 10-23-06, 05:49 PM

I'm watching the video, but since I'm at the library I can't hear it. Some observations, though:

1) Contrary to what a lot of gamers say, those seas at the beginning don't look too high, but the deck gun is being completely swamped, at least at speed.

2) Even in a crash dive, they didn't pull the plug until the board was green and the e-motors were on and the diesels were off!

3) I didn't see anybody running to the bow of the boat. I agree, movies about US subs show the crews being a lot more professional than in Das Boot. I always wondered about that, and I'm sure the German crews behaved very competently as well.

4) That merchie WAS shooting back, and one of those shots came pretty close. Not trying to make any point, just observing the close splash.

5) OOPS!

In the second crash dive they DID order "All hands forward"!

6) The captain is conducting his attack with the observation 'scope, not the attack periscope. I'm betting this was done for the sake of the camera, which almost certainly wouldn't fit in the conning tower.

7) During the "flooding" sequence, with the destroyer approaching, the planesmen both lean and so does the camera, but when they straighten up again the shallow dive guage still says 10 meters! Ignore the close-up of it getting deeper, look at it when the guys are leaning.

8) "Depth charges are shaking the boat"...and they're STILL at 10 meters!

Still, quite fun. Thanks Noob.

Reece · 10-23-06, 09:01 PM

Hi Noob, very good find!

Many thanks.

Hartmann · 10-24-06, 04:30 PM

Another good details are the place of de gun ammo and the fire rate. the effects in the steamer and the sound of the incoming counterfire shells .

Razman23 · 10-24-06, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm watching the video, but since I'm at the library I can't hear it. Some observations, though:

1) Contrary to what a lot of gamers say, those seas at the beginning don't look too high, but the deck gun is being completely swamped, at least at speed.

2) Even in a crash dive, they didn't pull the plug until the board was green and the e-motors were on and the diesels were off!

3) I didn't see anybody running to the bow of the boat. I agree, movies about US subs show the crews being a lot more professional than in Das Boot. I always wondered about that, and I'm sure the German crews behaved very competently as well.

4) That merchie WAS shooting back, and one of those shots came pretty close. Not trying to make any point, just observing the close splash.

5) OOPS!

In the second crash dive they DID order "All hands forward"!

6) The captain is conducting his attack with the observation 'scope, not the attack periscope. I'm betting this was done for the sake of the camera, which almost certainly wouldn't fit in the conning tower.

7) During the "flooding" sequence, with the destroyer approaching, the planesmen both lean and so does the camera, but when they straighten up again the shallow dive guage still says 10 meters! Ignore the close-up of it getting deeper, look at it when the guys are leaning.

8) "Depth charges are shaking the boat"...and they're STILL at 10 meters!

Still, quite fun. Thanks Noob.

You have to keep in mind what kind of movie this is and why it was made. I will bet that all the scenes that you saw did not happen in the way it is protrayed. More than likely it was allot of 'cut n paste' to make the scene as believable as possible even though the people who would see this would have never been on a U-boat before.

The Noob · 10-24-06, 07:02 PM

Attention: New Updated version! Changed some things on the file to avoid sound problems with On-Board soundcards, and removed a part of the last bit wich included easily audiable music. First post edited.

Steeltrap · 10-24-06, 10:52 PM

I seem to recall seeing the footage of that merchant copping it as being associated with activities of Graf Spee or Scharnhorst(the 11" or 5.9" will tend to do that!).

As for 'firing back', seems highly improbable that a u-boat would endanger itself that way. It would only take 1 hit and the boat would be crippled if not lost.

Interesting to note the video claims Endrass to have sunk over 200,000t so far, but his tally from u-boat.net is 118,528t. Ah, some creative accounting for propaganda!!

AVA · 10-24-06, 10:57 PM

Sounds great for me.

Safe-Keeper · 10-25-06, 05:16 PM

I watched a programme on German propaganda and they said that a lot of the action scenes on u-boats were staged. This due to the fact that in real combat it was very ungainly to have camera teams on board.

Sailor Steve · 10-25-06, 05:57 PM

Of course they HAD to be staged, and for that very reason. I just thought it was funny how obvious some of the staging was.

10-23-06, 05:49 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm watching the video, but since I'm at the library I can't hear it. Some observations, though: 1) Contrary to what a lot of gamers say, those seas at the beginning don't look too high, but the deck gun is being completely swamped, at least at speed. 2) Even in a crash dive, they didn't pull the plug until the board was green and the e-motors were on and the diesels were off! 3) I didn't see anybody running to the bow of the boat. I agree, movies about US subs show the crews being a lot more professional than in Das Boot. I always wondered about that, and I'm sure the German crews behaved very competently as well. 4) That merchie WAS shooting back, and one of those shots came pretty close. Not trying to make any point, just observing the close splash. 5) OOPS! In the second crash dive they DID order "All hands forward"! 6) The captain is conducting his attack with the observation 'scope, not the attack periscope. I'm betting this was done for the sake of the camera, which almost certainly wouldn't fit in the conning tower. 7) During the "flooding" sequence, with the destroyer approaching, the planesmen both lean and so does the camera, but when they straighten up again the shallow dive guage still says 10 meters! Ignore the close-up of it getting deeper, look at it when the guys are leaning. 8) "Depth charges are shaking the boat"...and they're STILL at 10 meters! Still, quite fun. Thanks Noob. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-23-06, 09:01 PM	#2
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,722 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Hi Noob, very good find! Many thanks. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

10-24-06, 04:30 PM	#3
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Another good details are the place of de gun ammo and the fire rate. the effects in the steamer and the sound of the incoming counterfire shells . __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

10-24-06, 10:57 PM	#7
AVA Nub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds great for me. __________________

10-25-06, 05:16 PM	#8
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I watched a programme on German propaganda and they said that a lot of the action scenes on u-boats were staged. This due to the fact that in real combat it was very ungainly to have camera teams on board. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

10-24-06, 07:02 PM	#5
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Attention: New Updated version! Changed some things on the file to avoid sound problems with On-Board soundcards, and removed a part of the last bit wich included easily audiable music. First post edited.

10-24-06, 10:52 PM	#6
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I seem to recall seeing the footage of that merchant copping it as being associated with activities of Graf Spee or Scharnhorst(the 11" or 5.9" will tend to do that!). As for 'firing back', seems highly improbable that a u-boat would endanger itself that way. It would only take 1 hit and the boat would be crippled if not lost. Interesting to note the video claims Endrass to have sunk over 200,000t so far, but his tally from u-boat.net is 118,528t. Ah, some creative accounting for propaganda!!

10-25-06, 05:57 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Of course they HAD to be staged, and for that very reason. I just thought it was funny how obvious some of the staging was. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo