To all virtual navies

Kapitan · 10-21-06, 05:10 AM

This is to all virtul navies on the net.

This whole issue about members abusing other members people "cheating" and what have you realy has to stop, its not fair on any members or this subsim community.

Your bikkering your "war" is driving the people away from this community, your doing more harm to yourselves then to the otherside, people who come here and read the posts hear the bikkering word of mouth are less likely to join any fleet.

If we could all just get on and work together to achieve the one goal and thats fun in all of this then we would have such a better life here.

The idea of joining a navy is to be part of something, we dont need the rioting and the flameing.

By doing all of that it means that players are limited from playing everyone and makes gaming alot harder.

So i suggest this, we stop right here right now the argueeing the bitching and put a line under all of this and get on for the good of our fleets, we will then play together and to make sure theres no accusing of "cheating" going on we can find an independant map maker to set up some maps for fleet wars. (i will not be making them).

Dont you think that if all this stuff stopped we would all benifit?

Think about it please!

Stern · 10-22-06, 05:43 PM

Sir:

I agree with you 100%

FADM Stern GNSF

swimsalot · 10-22-06, 11:12 PM

yeah, what he said.

Sub Sailor · 10-24-06, 12:17 PM

That is the major reason I have never joined any virtual Navy.

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

Fish · 10-24-06, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Sailor

That is the major reason I have never joined any virtual Navy.

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

What exactly do you mean?

This;
abusing other members people "cheating"

Sub Sailor · 10-24-06, 03:05 PM

I considered joining a couple of times, and then there would be post after post about someone cheating, or taking advantage of some glitch in the system, and what exactly constituted cheating.
I am 66 years old and enjoy the Sims very much, so if I just play single player I avoid all the apparent hassle of multi-player.
So I play singly and I cannot very well cheat myself or blame anyone else of cheating.
The whole issue is to much of a hassle, worrying about cheating takes the fun out SC,688i, or DW.

Respectfully,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

Sub Sailor · 10-24-06, 03:09 PM

I strongly urge everyone to read and take to heart what Kapitan said. People who designed really good missions quit because people finding fault, propably because they could not beat them.

Sub Sailor.

Stern · 10-24-06, 03:32 PM

Sub Sailor

I used to only ever play single player games for that very reason a long time ago, and figured it was far too great a hastle to deal with possible cheating and other issues that come up when people get together online. I got hooked on Jane's 688(i) and played it a lot. I went on the web one day looking to see if there were any other missions out there, as the thought of playing a mission I made myself seemed pointless, and found a virtual group, the Seawolves.
I was asked to join and against my feelings at the time figured I would try it, I mean I could simple quit if it wasnt for me. That was about 9 years ago and for all my time in Seawolves I had a great time. I am now having even more fun in a new group GNSF (Global Naval Strike Force).
Yes, in my time with virtual groups I have seen cheating, "buddy buddy clicks", and other unpleasantries, but weighed against all the was gained it was a microscopic percent.
Any time you gather more than one person, conflicts will happen, as its human nature, but the benifits that can be gained playing with others can far outwiegh any problems that pop up. So, now, even with the occasional headache, I still get great joy from the interaction with others that enjoy the same sims as me.

While this is not for everyone, I have found that the vast majority of players belonging to virtual groups, and the ones that just play with others and not members of a group are great people. Yes, a bad apple will always come along at times, but that is no difference than "real life", but for the most part its simple good people that you can play with, learn from, and have a blast. As I am sure you can probably see this just by visiting this forum and seeing how all the people here interact, they are all good people having fun with games they enjoy.

Sub Sailor · 10-24-06, 06:44 PM

Stern, I believe the Virtual Naval Groups are basically very good and I believe they contribute to the community. But lately, it seems like we go through spells where most of the posting is about some one doing something, after a while you think "GOD" will this never end.
Maybe I will give a Virtual Navy a try.

Again thank you,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

Driftwood · 10-25-06, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Sailor

Stern, I believe the Virtual Naval Groups are basically very good and I believe they contribute to the community. But lately, it seems like we go through spells where most of the posting is about some one doing something, after a while you think "GOD" will this never end.
Maybe I will give a Virtual Navy a try.

Again thank you,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

I would recommend it Ron. Like Stern said if it's not your cup of tea you can always leave. I too have gone through being a single player and the ups and downs of belonging to virtual groups. I can say unequivocally that belonging to a virtual group is FAR more fun than doing the single player thing. I'm also in an age category (not to far behind you) that leaves little time for petty BS and I act/respond accordingly when it happens. There are a lot of us out here who belong to virtual Navies that work very hard to insure that things like we've witnessed recently don't happen. But nothing is absolute and unfortunately some things slip through the cracks. Don't let the 1%'s keep you from a new and enjoyable experience!

Fish · 10-25-06, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Sailor

I considered joining a couple of times, and then there would be post after post about someone cheating, or taking advantage of some glitch in the system, and what exactly constituted cheating.
I am 66 years old and enjoy the Sims very much, so if I just play single player I avoid all the apparent hassle of multi-player.
So I play singly and I cannot very well cheat myself or blame anyone else of cheating.
The whole issue is to much of a hassle, worrying about cheating takes the fun out SC,688i, or DW.

Respectfully,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

I am 66 too, and member of virtual navys since 1988. Had a pile of fun, some people are like family after some time.
Sure, there are the regular problems now and then, like in normal live, but nothing to stop me playing.
When you want to try a multiplayer game, just to see how it is, let me know.

sonar732 · 10-25-06, 12:31 PM

Ron... 'ol buddy. With everything that we've been thru I feel bad since I've invited you to one said group. Granted, they didn't have much bickering going on...just other problems. Might I suggest to follow up on the other situation I gave you and give me ring sometime!

Joe

swimsalot · 10-25-06, 01:02 PM

Ron, in my opinion, if you havent played an online mission, with multiple different platforms, using live voice links, youre missing out. The excitement of a joint hunt-defense against live players in real time is awesome. The only reason I play in Virtual Fleets is to have a larger pool of people to dive with-against. Think about it sir. Swims

Molon Labe · 10-25-06, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swimsalot

Ron, in my opinion, if you havent played an online mission, with multiple different platforms, using live voice links, youre missing out. The excitement of a joint hunt-defense against live players in real time is awesome. The only reason I play in Virtual Fleets is to have a larger pool of people to dive with-against. Think about it sir. Swims

Yep. The limitations of single player are obvious, even with the improved AI of SCXIIc and LW/Ami. Nothing compares to facing a human opponent, and dealing with the occassional cheater is a small price to pay for the majority of quality matches. Even within the structure of a virtual fleet, you can always find the people you trust and can play with without worry (he said with some irony [but not enough for the point to be lost]).

That said, I don't think virtual fleets are for everyone for various reasons, but it is a great way to find opponents and multiplayer really is the way to play a combat simulation.

Sub Sailor · 10-25-06, 06:52 PM

God I have always wanted to use "Balderdash". Joe we have been friends since Moby Dick was a Minnow, so don't feel bad about any thing.
To all of you I will give a Virtual Navy a shot, I have never played on line, so I don't know anything about it. Sonar and i was going to play way back but my connection was slow, about snail speed. I have Satellite now so I assume it would be fast enough.
If the fix comes out "the battle pack" that should address the flashing I would love to play 688i or SC on line, I still don't consider my self good enough at DW, well fair on subs, but FFG, and the planes, I suck.

Thanks all of you, now this is the kind of stuff I like to read and respond to on this site.

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

10-21-06, 05:10 AM	#1
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	To all virtual navies This is to all virtul navies on the net. This whole issue about members abusing other members people "cheating" and what have you realy has to stop, its not fair on any members or this subsim community. Your bikkering your "war" is driving the people away from this community, your doing more harm to yourselves then to the otherside, people who come here and read the posts hear the bikkering word of mouth are less likely to join any fleet. If we could all just get on and work together to achieve the one goal and thats fun in all of this then we would have such a better life here. The idea of joining a navy is to be part of something, we dont need the rioting and the flameing. By doing all of that it means that players are limited from playing everyone and makes gaming alot harder. So i suggest this, we stop right here right now the argueeing the bitching and put a line under all of this and get on for the good of our fleets, we will then play together and to make sure theres no accusing of "cheating" going on we can find an independant map maker to set up some maps for fleet wars. (i will not be making them). Dont you think that if all this stuff stopped we would all benifit? Think about it please! __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-22-06, 05:43 PM	#2
Stern Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sir: I agree with you 100% FADM Stern GNSF __________________ FADM Stern Fleet Admiral Global Naval Strike Force

10-22-06, 11:12 PM	#3
swimsalot Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Seattle, wa usa Posts: 102 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	yeah, what he said. __________________ Swimsalot AW2 (AW\NAC)

10-24-06, 12:17 PM	#4
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	That is exactlly why That is the major reason I have never joined any virtual Navy. Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

10-24-06, 03:05 PM	#6
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Exactly what I said I considered joining a couple of times, and then there would be post after post about someone cheating, or taking advantage of some glitch in the system, and what exactly constituted cheating. I am 66 years old and enjoy the Sims very much, so if I just play single player I avoid all the apparent hassle of multi-player. So I play singly and I cannot very well cheat myself or blame anyone else of cheating. The whole issue is to much of a hassle, worrying about cheating takes the fun out SC,688i, or DW. Respectfully, Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

10-24-06, 03:09 PM	#7
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Read Kapitan I strongly urge everyone to read and take to heart what Kapitan said. People who designed really good missions quit because people finding fault, propably because they could not beat them. Sub Sailor.

10-24-06, 03:32 PM	#8
Stern Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sub Sailor I used to only ever play single player games for that very reason a long time ago, and figured it was far too great a hastle to deal with possible cheating and other issues that come up when people get together online. I got hooked on Jane's 688(i) and played it a lot. I went on the web one day looking to see if there were any other missions out there, as the thought of playing a mission I made myself seemed pointless, and found a virtual group, the Seawolves. I was asked to join and against my feelings at the time figured I would try it, I mean I could simple quit if it wasnt for me. That was about 9 years ago and for all my time in Seawolves I had a great time. I am now having even more fun in a new group GNSF (Global Naval Strike Force). Yes, in my time with virtual groups I have seen cheating, "buddy buddy clicks", and other unpleasantries, but weighed against all the was gained it was a microscopic percent. Any time you gather more than one person, conflicts will happen, as its human nature, but the benifits that can be gained playing with others can far outwiegh any problems that pop up. So, now, even with the occasional headache, I still get great joy from the interaction with others that enjoy the same sims as me. While this is not for everyone, I have found that the vast majority of players belonging to virtual groups, and the ones that just play with others and not members of a group are great people. Yes, a bad apple will always come along at times, but that is no difference than "real life", but for the most part its simple good people that you can play with, learn from, and have a blast. As I am sure you can probably see this just by visiting this forum and seeing how all the people here interact, they are all good people having fun with games they enjoy. __________________ FADM Stern Fleet Admiral Global Naval Strike Force

10-24-06, 06:44 PM	#9
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Thank you Stern Stern, I believe the Virtual Naval Groups are basically very good and I believe they contribute to the community. But lately, it seems like we go through spells where most of the posting is about some one doing something, after a while you think "GOD" will this never end. Maybe I will give a Virtual Navy a try. Again thank you, Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

10-25-06, 12:31 PM	#12
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Ron... 'ol buddy. With everything that we've been thru I feel bad since I've invited you to one said group. Granted, they didn't have much bickering going on...just other problems. Might I suggest to follow up on the other situation I gave you and give me ring sometime! Joe

10-25-06, 01:02 PM	#13
swimsalot Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Seattle, wa usa Posts: 102 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ron, in my opinion, if you havent played an online mission, with multiple different platforms, using live voice links, youre missing out. The excitement of a joint hunt-defense against live players in real time is awesome. The only reason I play in Virtual Fleets is to have a larger pool of people to dive with-against. Think about it sir. Swims __________________ Swimsalot AW2 (AW\NAC)

10-25-06, 06:52 PM	#15
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Balderdash Sonbar732 God I have always wanted to use "Balderdash". Joe we have been friends since Moby Dick was a Minnow, so don't feel bad about any thing. To all of you I will give a Virtual Navy a shot, I have never played on line, so I don't know anything about it. Sonar and i was going to play way back but my connection was slow, about snail speed. I have Satellite now so I assume it would be fast enough. If the fix comes out "the battle pack" that should address the flashing I would love to play 688i or SC on line, I still don't consider my self good enough at DW, well fair on subs, but FFG, and the planes, I suck. Thanks all of you, now this is the kind of stuff I like to read and respond to on this site. Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)