Banned Symbols?

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Article 5 of Germany's constitution, or Basic Law, enshrines the right of freedom of speech and of the press.

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But the next paragraph puts certain limits on that freedom

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German law therefore constrains freedom

You think that´s any different in the US or most other countries?

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You think that´s any different in the US or most other countries?

You're off topic. Let me rephrase the debate.

Ultimately my question is..........does the banning or making a symbol illegal actually make us more tolerant of other peoples opinion, or does it just drive the 'hate' more underground and cause more trouble and decension?

What is your opinion. Is political correctness driving us apart?

[Skybird]

I don't get the different aspects of your question together. what has tolerance or intolerance to do with banning a Nazi symbol? the important question only is: how far must tolerance go before it turns into anarchy and lack of a defining standard for what is to be tolerated, and what not? and does tolerance include to allow it going that far that it effecti aly kills itself that way? Is total tolerance even thinkable?

Originally Posted by Skybird

I don't get the different aspects of your question together. what has tolerance or intolerance to do with banning a Nazi symbol? the important question only is: how far must tolerance go before it turns into anarchy and lack of a defining standard for what is to be tolerated, and what not? and does tolerance include to allow it going that far that it effecti aly kills itself that way? Is total tolerance even thinkable?

Skybird,

The swastika was only an example. Burning crosses was also an example. I'm not necessarily saying that tolerance is the key element in the banishment of either example. My question remains;

does the banning or making a symbol illegal actually make us more tolerant of other peoples opinion, or does it just drive the 'hate' more underground and cause more trouble and decension?

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by waste gate

does the banning or making a symbol illegal actually make us more tolerant of other peoples opinion, or does it just drive the 'hate' more underground and cause more trouble and decension?

I believe it drives the hate more underground. I also believe ppl who determin symbols to be illegal have too much time on their hands and should deal with the issues they were elected to deal with. It's like the "Stars and Bars" of the US south during the civil war. Several states include it as part of their state flags then along comes some group moaning that it's a symbol of racism when in fact the civil war wasn't about slavery when the initial shots were fired, but about states rights. Those that died under that flag were as American as those that died under the Stars and Stripes.

[Dowly]

Sure it drives the movements with banned symbols underground. And surely it angers them, they believe in their thing and by banning their 'holy symbol' it only gives them one reason more to keep up the hate against the ones that banned it. Some movements just speak out about it, some take violence to back them up to get what they want.

To answer your question: Yes, IMO it divides FEW people out of the whole, but the numbers are against the few. It wont have any effect if 1000 neo-nazis protest to get their symbols out of the banned list nor do it have any effect if they go and beat the sh*t out of someone.