Poll about the renown system

[Respenus]

No offense, but this has already been done and said and posted so many time during my short stay here that...

I belive that renown is like fame and more ships you sunk, you had better chances for getting a new boat when requesting one. It should stay!

Plus many Kaleuns here keep with one boat and upgrades don't cost too much over all the years!

[Ducimus]

Firstly i agree that renown can be annoying. One of the first things i *Used* to was open the basic.cfg find "renown =" and do a global replace with "renown=0;".

Over time i stopped doing that. And the argument for renown is this.

In a military, im imagning any military really, how much of materials, and supplies are often limited. In aquisitioning stuff, it's all about who you know. The "good ole boy" system is very much alive and well, and probably always will be. It's basically a system of you scratch my back, ill scratch yours.

For instance, I, being an engineer at the time, as asked a favor by these communications guys to dig a big hole for them with a backhoe so they could run some cable. I didnt have to do this, but i did, and by doing so i scored some "renown" with these guys. "hey that guy over there saved us alot of dam time! Thumbs up to him!" In return i got a ride in an F4 simulator for about 2 or 3 hours. By doing that, i cashed in my "renown" and got something for it.

A similar situation can be said about supply sgts. If he only has so many of an item, he's not liable to part with it very easily, or at the least he's not going to give it to just any joe schmoe who walks through his door. If you have enough "renown" (sometimes being in a special duty unit is enough, othertimes you may have to do him a favor, or call in a favor he owes you), then you'll get the part. Once you call in any favor, he no longer owes you for whatever you did for him, so in action you'd lose renown, but not neccessarily standings.

If that makes any sense.

[Warmonger]

Well, I think there's a difference between "duty" and "favor". The examples you are talking about are favors, the "I owe you one" situations.
But as a sub commander it is my duty to sink ships and earn renown and climb up the ladder in this process. I'm not doing a favor for the BdU. And military ranks and decorations are mostly dependent on good results in your operations which are consequently rewarded, but not in this way "You've done good and are promoted/are allowed to buy upgrades but you have to start from scratch now". That doesn't make sense for me.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Warmonger

Well, I think there's a difference between "duty" and "favor". The examples you are talking about are favors, the "I owe you one" situations.
But as a sub commander it is my duty to sink ships and earn renown and climb up the ladder in this process. I'm not doing a favor for the BdU. And military ranks and decorations are mostly dependent on good results in your operations which are consequently rewarded, but not in this way "You've done good and are promoted/are allowed to buy upgrades but you have to start from scratch now". That doesn't make sense for me.

Ok heres an example more directly related. I don't have the book infront of me, but i remember it distinctly. Herbert Werner, in "Iron Coffins" towards the end of the war, meets up with one of his old captains thats still around, that was put in command of one of the newer type XXI's going through sea trials. His captain asked him, "they don't have you sailing one of those old coffins do they?", His response was that , to paraphraise, "I dont have the same level of influence that you do."

Simply put, he wasnt a high enough reknown skipper to be intrusted with that type of boat. It's not fair, but thats how the world works. I think of renown as an emulation of that. Same thing with snorkels. They weren't widley available until 44. Herbert Werener knew of them in 43, but coudlnt aquisition one. Supplies were limited, and he just didnt have the strings to pull to make it happen.

[Warmonger]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ok heres an example more directly related. I don't have the book infront of me, but i remember it distinctly. Herbert Werner, in "Iron Coffins" towards the end of the war, meets up with one of his old captains thats still around, that was put in command of one of the newer type XXI's going through sea trials. His captain asked him, "they don't have you sailing one of those old coffins do they?", His response was that , to paraphraise, "I dont have the same level of influence that you do."

Simply put, he wasnt a high enough reknown skipper to be intrusted with that type of boat. It's not fair, but thats how the world works. I think of renown as an emulation of that. Same thing with snorkels. They weren't widley available until 44. Herbert Werener knew of them in 43, but coudlnt aquisition one. Supplies were limited, and he just didnt have the strings to pull to make it happen.

And that is exactly what I meant with my initial post, be successful, be rewarded by having access to the real goodies but be not penalized for using them.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Warmonger

And that is exactly what I meant with my initial post, be successful, be rewarded by having access to the real goodies but be not penalized for using them.

Deduction of renown is most likely hardcoded. So either use renown, or don't use renown, your choice. I highly doubt your going to get a "must be of X renown to get this tiem" without a deduction from your total pool. its a mathmatical computation, and again, probably hardcoded. So your probably going to have to just deal with renown on or off. Most people turn it off anyway, everyones more or less, "Gimme mah stuff without the BS!" personnaly i leave it on because i feel it reasonably emulates aquisitiion, and the fact that you feel like you upgraded something.

An upgrade doesnt feel like an upgrade if you get it for free. By removing renown, you may as well just equip your boat with everything you want from the get go so the instant you get it in game. I've done that too, and it' feels shallow.

[Warmonger]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Deduction of renown is most likely hardcoded. So either use renown, or don't use renown, your choice. I highly doubt your going to get a "must be of X renown to get this tiem" without a deduction from your total pool. its a mathmatical computation, and again, probably hardcoded. So your probably going to have to just deal with renown on or off. Most people turn it off anyway, everyones more or less, "Gimme mah stuff without the BS!" personnaly i leave it on because i feel it reasonably emulates aquisitiion, and the fact that you feel like you upgraded something.

An upgrade doesnt feel like an upgrade if you get it for free. By removing renown, you may as well just equip your boat with everything you want from the get go so the instant you get it in game. I've done that too, and it' feels shallow.

And that's maybe one of the pluses of this game that there's a lot of freedom on how to play it. I feel relatively fine with the 0 renown (as there's no other option due to hardcoding as you rightly mentioned), you feel fine with the way it is, and we all feel fine with this great game.
I just wanted to know really what others think about this issue and how they play the game.

[Respenus]

Originally Posted by Warmonger

I'm not doing a favor for the BdU.

No, but you're doing a favour to the German Nation and Herr Furer (from the Germans side of view, so I don't get called a naci). You sank a lot of ships, did a favour to the German people, duss in return you get better fish as the local fish guy likes you better, because you managed to prevent the enemy destroying his shipment of goods that made the fish.

Capish?