What navies do when a hurricane comes?

FERdeBOER · 10-12-06, 11:23 AM

Maybe this should be posted in the "General" forum but, in my opinion is too general and I don't want this post to be buried between other related to football, George Bush, etc.

I'm going to do a work for the university and I would like it to be about what the Navies do when a hurricane (or tropical storm) comes.

Do they send the ships to open sea? Do they protect the ships and subs (and planes, helos... ) in drydocks and/or hangars?
How they face the possible destructions on the Naval bases?
And, when the hurricane leaves the area, what do they do then? As far as I know, the storm are so strong that the seafloor in shallow waters may change, and I think this is very important near naval bases, doesn't it?

I will greatly apreciated comments or just links.

Thank you very much for Your time and help.

Oberon · 10-12-06, 12:07 PM

Generally, I believe, any ships that are seaworthy put to sea where the swells are generally easier to ride out, and there's more room to move. Subs have the easier job, just get as deep as they can to ride it out...but the swells can sometimes be as strong as to affect subs at depth.
Shipping that can't go is probably either towed or just battened down like crazy.

Goat · 10-12-06, 01:08 PM

Get underway... get out to sea where there are no others doing the same thing...bow INTO the seas... Ahead One Third... or just enough to maintain steerage-way [to KEEP the bow into the seas]... If it is bad enough, go to Condition Zebra... all hatches and doors dogged down tight. Hang on. Stuff outside the superstructure may carry away, but inside will be fine. Depends upon the size of the ship. I knew a guy on a CVA [aircraft carrier] who was in a typhoon bad enough to curl up the front of the flight deck, and HE slept through it! DD's [destroyers] are not so lucky.

SkvyWvr · 10-12-06, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FERdeBOER

Maybe this should be posted in the "General" forum but, in my opinion is too general and I don't want this post to be buried between other related to football, George Bush, etc.

I'm going to do a work for the university and I would like it to be about what the Navies do when a hurricane (or tropical storm) comes.

Do they send the ships to open sea? Do they protect the ships and subs (and planes, helos... ) in drydocks and/or hangars?
How they face the possible destructions on the Naval bases?
And, when the hurricane leaves the area, what do they do then? As far as I know, the storm are so strong that the seafloor in shallow waters may change, and I think this is very important near naval bases, doesn't it?

I will greatly apreciated comments or just links.

Thank you very much for Your time and help.

They call in all personnel to secure the base. All aircraft evacuate and all ships able to sail leave port as stated by another post. Hell of a ride on a cruiser. I rode out Hurrcanes Hugo and Andrew and left Hong Kong ahead of schedule pecause of Typhoons.

Goat · 10-12-06, 02:04 PM

Try it in a 'Can....

sonar732 · 10-12-06, 02:12 PM

I remember seeing a picture of a submarine in Charleston that was purposely sunk pierside because they couldn't get out to see in time before Hugo came.

Henson · 10-12-06, 04:37 PM

We leave.

Those on sea duty leave with the boat, and the ones on shore duty get about a two hour heads up on evacuation orders so we can get a head start.

Driftwood · 10-12-06, 08:04 PM

Had the priviledge of touring the DDG USS Higgins (deck tour only) last weekend during Fleet Week in SF. Can't imagine what it must be like riding out a hurricane/typhoon in one of those ships.......

Especially after watching The Perfect Storm!

SkvyWvr · 10-13-06, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat

Try it in a 'Can....

A Ticonderoga crusier is nothing but a heavy can.

Seadawg23 · 10-13-06, 07:36 AM

Well, given enuff warning which in todays age is almost common. Out to sea and get the hell outta the way. My friend on the Uss Truman sailed north when a hurricanne came thru in 2003 i think it was. Up to maine. Most ships try to leave the area within three to four days of it nearing the coast.

As far as, shore based. Nas Oceana here. We rode it out. was not that bad of a storm. Hurricane wise. The next day was clean up time. I found it funny as hell. We were out sweeping WET Leaves off the concrete with push brooms...that works like a lead balloon. And of course moving sandbags etc etc.

if it is bad enough the base personnel will get moved inshore. As for the planes they head away. All our jets went to Kansas and Oklahoma. USAF bases to ride it out.

Kapitan · 10-13-06, 07:48 AM

Smaller the ship the bigger the problem god help them guys on tugs and smaller vessels.

FERdeBOER · 10-15-06, 05:06 PM

Thank you, guys, very interesting information.

Is allways a pleasure to ask things here.

ASWnut101 · 10-15-06, 07:52 PM

heres a question for Kapitan (and him only):p

1.Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf
2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio
3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs?
4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop?
5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear?

Answer right and you get a cookie!

P.S. no googling or searchengineing

for the rest of you:

1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved?
2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service?
3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop

ps. NO GOOGLEING OR SEARCHENGINEING!!!

FIRST TO GET COORECT GETS A CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE!

SeaQueen · 10-15-06, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved?

The improved one is slightly longer, I believe.

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2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service?

None any more. They sure did some neat things with them while they were still around. One of the fascinating things to me about ships, is how soon after they're built, they usually start modifying ships, so that they all have the baseline, but then there's all kinds of weird things on top of it. In that sense, each ship is unique.

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3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop

Five blades each. Do I get a cookie? I'm hungry.

Kapitan · 10-16-06, 12:24 AM

1Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf
2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio
3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs?
4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop?
5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear?

Al'fa is the faster submarine however the top speed of the seawolf has never been released so this no one knows apart from the people who serve on it.

With the SALT treatys the ohio does 240 warheads the typhoon 200, but the typhoon can carry 14 warheads on each missile which means a total of 280 can be carried if pushed.

Because they do not have one single type of multi role submarine, for example the Oscar is designed to engauge surface contacts while the akula is designed to engauge submarines.

Ohio's prop id immagine around 16 feet but thats a guess

And the polar bear i have no clue

10-12-06, 11:23 AM	#1
FERdeBOER XO Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 431 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 1	What navies do when a hurricane comes? Maybe this should be posted in the "General" forum but, in my opinion is too general and I don't want this post to be buried between other related to football, George Bush, etc. I'm going to do a work for the university and I would like it to be about what the Navies do when a hurricane (or tropical storm) comes. Do they send the ships to open sea? Do they protect the ships and subs (and planes, helos... ) in drydocks and/or hangars? How they face the possible destructions on the Naval bases? And, when the hurricane leaves the area, what do they do then? As far as I know, the storm are so strong that the seafloor in shallow waters may change, and I think this is very important near naval bases, doesn't it? I will greatly apreciated comments or just links. Thank you very much for Your time and help. __________________ Hay dos tipos de buques: los submarinos... y los blancos. There are two types of ships: the subs... and the targets.

10-12-06, 01:08 PM	#3
Goat Soundman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 80 road miles from Boomer Heaven Posts: 147 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Get underway... get out to sea where there are no others doing the same thing...bow INTO the seas... Ahead One Third... or just enough to maintain steerage-way [to KEEP the bow into the seas]... If it is bad enough, go to Condition Zebra... all hatches and doors dogged down tight. Hang on. Stuff outside the superstructure may carry away, but inside will be fine. Depends upon the size of the ship. I knew a guy on a CVA [aircraft carrier] who was in a typhoon bad enough to curl up the front of the flight deck, and HE slept through it! DD's [destroyers] are not so lucky. __________________ Red to Red, Green to Green. If you see 'em both don't steer in between !

10-12-06, 02:04 PM	#5
Goat Soundman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 80 road miles from Boomer Heaven Posts: 147 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Try it in a 'Can.... __________________ Red to Red, Green to Green. If you see 'em both don't steer in between !

10-12-06, 08:04 PM	#8
Driftwood Chief Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western NC Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Had the priviledge of touring the DDG USS Higgins (deck tour only) last weekend during Fleet Week in SF. Can't imagine what it must be like riding out a hurricane/typhoon in one of those ships....... Especially after watching The Perfect Storm! __________________ Retired US Army Paratrooper Virtual Sub Skipper Last edited by Driftwood; 10-12-06 at 08:06 PM.

10-13-06, 07:36 AM	#10
Seadawg23 Watch Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, given enuff warning which in todays age is almost common. Out to sea and get the hell outta the way. My friend on the Uss Truman sailed north when a hurricanne came thru in 2003 i think it was. Up to maine. Most ships try to leave the area within three to four days of it nearing the coast. As far as, shore based. Nas Oceana here. We rode it out. was not that bad of a storm. Hurricane wise. The next day was clean up time. I found it funny as hell. We were out sweeping WET Leaves off the concrete with push brooms...that works like a lead balloon. And of course moving sandbags etc etc. if it is bad enough the base personnel will get moved inshore. As for the planes they head away. All our jets went to Kansas and Oklahoma. USAF bases to ride it out. __________________ RDML SeaDawg COM3rdFLT USS CORANDO (SAN DIEGO) VIRTUAL NAVY www.vnavy.com

10-12-06, 12:07 PM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Generally, I believe, any ships that are seaworthy put to sea where the swells are generally easier to ride out, and there's more room to move. Subs have the easier job, just get as deep as they can to ride it out...but the swells can sometimes be as strong as to affect subs at depth. Shipping that can't go is probably either towed or just battened down like crazy.

10-12-06, 02:12 PM	#6
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I remember seeing a picture of a submarine in Charleston that was purposely sunk pierside because they couldn't get out to see in time before Hugo came.

10-12-06, 04:37 PM	#7
Henson Planesman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 185 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	We leave. Those on sea duty leave with the boat, and the ones on shore duty get about a two hour heads up on evacuation orders so we can get a head start.

10-13-06, 07:48 AM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Smaller the ship the bigger the problem god help them guys on tugs and smaller vessels. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-15-06, 05:06 PM	#12
FERdeBOER XO Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 431 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 1	Thank you, guys, very interesting information. Is allways a pleasure to ask things here. __________________ Hay dos tipos de buques: los submarinos... y los blancos. There are two types of ships: the subs... and the targets.

10-15-06, 07:52 PM	#13
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	heres a question for Kapitan (and him only):p 1.Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf 2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio 3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs? 4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop? 5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear? Answer right and you get a cookie! P.S. no googling or searchengineing for the rest of you: 1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved? 2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service? 3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop ps. NO GOOGLEING OR SEARCHENGINEING!!! FIRST TO GET COORECT GETS A CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE! __________________

10-16-06, 12:24 AM	#15
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	1Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf 2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio 3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs? 4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop? 5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear? Al'fa is the faster submarine however the top speed of the seawolf has never been released so this no one knows apart from the people who serve on it. With the SALT treatys the ohio does 240 warheads the typhoon 200, but the typhoon can carry 14 warheads on each missile which means a total of 280 can be carried if pushed. Because they do not have one single type of multi role submarine, for example the Oscar is designed to engauge surface contacts while the akula is designed to engauge submarines. Ohio's prop id immagine around 16 feet but thats a guess And the polar bear i have no clue __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/