Has the President of the United States lost his marbles?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

What's the matter, can't handle the truth?

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/nk-fact-sheet.cfm

Scroll down to the 90's area. It's quite enlightening. Democrat inaction is only a mild description.

What truth? The only truth is that Korea openly baled in 2002 which is under Bush's watch and he's had four years to do something but has done nothing. Is that the truth you mean? No, wait. He attacked the nuclear enemy in Iraq. Whoops, no nukes there. Seems he went after the wrong one huh?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

What truth? The only truth is that Korea openly baled in 2002 which is under Bush's watch and he's had four years to do something but has done nothing. Is that the truth you mean? No, wait. He attacked the nuclear enemy in Iraq. Whoops, no nukes there. Seems he went after the wrong one huh?

Bottom line, if Clinton had done his job, Bush wouldn't have to deal with these issues now. If the Democrats weren't trying to make life so cozy for Kim Jong-Il back then, we wouldn't have the same circumstances in play. And all Democrats can do now is second guess and whine.

[bradclark1]

Bottom line, if Clinton had done his job, Bush wouldn't have to deal with these issues now. If the Democrats weren't trying to make life so cozy for Kim Jong-Il back then, we wouldn't have the same circumstances in play. And all Democrats can do now is second guess and whine.

I'd say they aren't the same circumstances. They're worse. Korea didn't have "the bomb" back then but yes it's okay for the Bush administration to drag ass and then blame it on Clinton. What a joke. I have news for you Clinton hasn't been president for six years. The standard party line "Blame It On Clinton". That should be tatooed on the republican elephants butt.
If Bush did his job we wouldn't be in Iraq. We wouldn't look like fools to the world with our empty threats to Korea and Iran that everyone knows we can't back up. Want to talk about border security or lack thereof or what about port security or lack thereof. What controls had been put in place after 9/11 have been removed one by one to the point that they are the same since before 9/11. This administration is flat on it's behind.
November will be a telling month. Not only Bush's failed foriegn policy if you want to call it that and you have the perverts, money launderers, and corrupt republicans to answer for. Plus they are carrying the title of The Do Nothing Congress and even the arch conservatives claim they feel used and conservatives are your base.

Whats sad is you feel proud of this.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I'd say they aren't the same circumstances. They're worse. Korea didn't have "the bomb" back then but yes it's okay for the Bush administration to drag ass and then blame it on Clinton. What a joke. I have news for you Clinton hasn't been president for six years. The standard party line "Blame It On Clinton". That should be tatooed on the republican elephants butt.
If Bush did his job we wouldn't be in Iraq. We wouldn't look like fools to the world with our empty threats to Korea and Iran that everyone knows we can't back up. Want to talk about border security or lack thereof or what about port security or lack thereof. What controls had been put in place after 9/11 have been removed one by one to the point that they are the same since before 9/11. This administration is flat on it's behind.
November will be a telling month. Not only Bush's failed foriegn policy if you want to call it that and you have the perverts, money launderers, and corrupt republicans to answer for. Plus they are carrying the title of The Do Nothing Congress and even the arch conservatives claim they feel used and conservatives are your base.

Whats sad is you feel proud of this.

No Brad. You got it all wrong. What I am proud of is the fact that Bush and Republicans will at least confront enemies. Not make deals with them, give them access to our technologies, and sweep their transgressions under the rug like those in the Democrat Party. Your inability to see this difference is why I say Democrats are dangerous and must be kept out of power. They think if they treat our enemies like friends and give them access to our technologies, make lucrative deals with these dictators and tyrants, and in the case of Al Qaeda terrorists...give them constitutional protections, all will be well. This is foolish ignorance. Yet it is how Democrats have shown they do business.

I'm also proud that taxes are low, the economy is growing, deficits are shrinking, homeownership is robust, interest rates are low, and unemployment percentages are low. The Dow is on it's way to 12,000 and may hit it before election day. Tech stocks are surging.

You talk about the borders? What is your party proposing? At least with the Republicans we get 698 miles of fence built in key areas. Is it enough? No. But it's a start. A start we would never get from your party. Heck, your party wanted to give illegal aliens out here in California drivers licenses. The Republicans got a governor in that promptly put a stop to it. It took a Republican to stop this insanity. People are getting the message out here.

There is one big difference also. You are speaking as though the Democrats have no corruption. Don't kid yourself. Harry Reid's land dealings should be something sticking out. What about Reynold's, Frank, Clinton, Studds, etc.? Your throwing stones, yet you live in a glass house. The real difference here is that Foley is gone. Other Republicans who have trangressed are also gone. Cunningham is another example. Republicans actually purge their bad apples. Can't say the same for Democrats. Heck, there are still people excusing Clinton for lying to a grand jury. Frank wasn't purged. Reynolds wasn't purged, Ted Kennedy wasn't purged, Studds wasn't purged, Patrick Kennedy wasn't purged for his drunk driving incident, etc, etc, etc. Harry Reid is currently making excuses for his shady dealings, and other Dem's are following suit. No Brad, you're party takes the cake when it comes to corruption.

And by the way, it wasn't a Republican who gave China access to space technologies which can kill you and your family. And what's worse is you seem proud of this. I have a family sir, and can't afford your lax attitude regarding national security issues. And if your problem is corruption, I don't see how you could vote Democrat. Corrupt Democrats don't get purged from their party. They most often retain their positions. You complain about Republican corruption, but Foley and others are gone. You display a horrid case of intellectual dishonesty at it's worst in all these issues.

[bradclark1]

Homeownership has slowed way down because people can't afford to buy anymore so I wouldn't say rates are low. The only job growth is in the service industry which means in plain english low wage jobs.

Republican wanted to reward illeagal aliens with a fast track to citizenship until the people raised hell and the Republican party backtracked. I would say the message was recieved after Americans raised hell over such stupidity.

Harry Reid's land dealings was an sorry attempt by the Republican party to shift attention from the Republican leadership protecting a pedophile for so many years. So you can kiss your purge theory off. Also you will notice that even Fox news isn't paying any attention to Reid's land dealings because it's purely administrative transgressions. The Republican leadership blamed the Democrats for Foley being a pervert for Gods sake. Clintons name was even mentioned in that. The Republican party covers and backs up their own until the only thing left is to make them resign. Now the Republican party is trying to cover-up their covering for Foley.

Patrick Kennedy wasn't purged for his drunk driving incident

Thats a laugh. Bush's DWI record was so bad his driving record mysteriously disappeared when he ran for president.

Heck, there are still people excusing Clinton for lying to a grand jury.

Over a blow job! :rotfl: Whats worse, covering for a blow job, or covering for a pedophile for years while he does his thing?

At least with the Republicans we get 698 miles of fence built in key areas.

Wow a 698 mile fence is just beginning to start five years after 9/11. The border is 1,951 miles (3,141 km) long. Are we going to wait another five to secure the rest? You forgot to mention anything about about port security. Yes, the Rebublican controlled houses are doing a bang up job.

And by the way, it wasn't a Republican who gave China access to space technologies which can kill you and your family. And what's worse is you seem proud of this. I have a family sir, and can't afford your lax attitude regarding national security issues

Sorry Sea Demon, you haven't heard me say I'm proud of anything because there isn't anything going on to feel proud of. Unlike you. As far as the security issue, reread the paragraph above this then tack on Iraq, Iran, and Korea. I wouldn't feel so safe if I were you!

You display a horrid case of intellectual dishonesty at it's worst in all these issues.

Who's displaying intellectual dishonesty?

[Sea Demon]

Thank you. You have shown why there's no real response necessary. You come back with George Bush got a DUI 35 years ago. You come back with Clinton lied to a grand jury over a BJ. Lying to a grand jury is still lying to a grand jury. And it's an impeachable offense. Bush has not done this. Your lack of direction over this continues to prove my point about your party.

And you continue to make excuses for Democrat corruption. Real corruption. Not made up stuff like GW Bush's Halliburton crap or "stealing oil" or "9/11 inside job"....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-11-reid_x.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101101640.html

This is bigger than that. And your side will continue to try and cover it up. And Pat Kennedy was a sitting congressman when he got that DUI. Your party is so corrupt, and you are so hateful of Republicans, you are blind to it. I was actually glad when Cunningham was arrested, and Foley resigned. There is a big difference between our parties Brad. I don't know how anybody worried about corruption could vote for your people. :hmm:

Plus the Republican will at least take a direction toward border enforcement. Your party has only shown a willingness to give the keys to the kingdom away with massive social and educational benefits to illegal aliens, and drivers licenses. Your party promotes illegality. Out here in California, people are finally wising up. And you obviously don't remember Clinton and the ports out here in Long Beach, do you?

And sorry to you Brad, but while President Bush actually confronts enemies, your party tries to do everything in there power to prevent success in Iraq. Your party does everything in their power to hinder any success we have. Your party continually provides terrorists in Iraq propaganda victories, because of the perceived hurt that it does to GW Bush. I feel much safer with Republicans in control, than those who want to give Al Qaeda terrorists constitutional protections, pursue open borders with Mexico, and go back to the days where a terrorist attack warrants no response. I feel safer with Republicans who can actually call terrorists..."terrorists". Rather than a party that makes speeches that are exactly the same in tone and wording as Al Zawahiri and other Islamic radical terrorists. Your party is insane Brad.

[bradclark1]

You come back with George Bush got a DUI 35 years ago.

Sorry, multiple DUI's. Thats why his record went convieniantly missing.

And you continue to make excuses for Democrat corruption. Real corruption. Not made up stuff like GW Bush's
Halliburton crap or "stealing oil" or "9/11 inside job"....

Sorry, you haven't heard me say any of that. The instances I gave you is real corruption.Funny you don't see that and you ignore the Republicans leadership covering for a pervert. Thats corruption from what, the third in line for president. I'd say your party is corrupt when the upper echelons cover for perverts. Even Bush is trying to cover the coverup.
As far as Reid goes read the third paragrph of your second link.

And sorry to you Brad, but while President Bush actually confronts enemies, your party tries to do everything
in there power to prevent success in Iraq. Your party does everything in their power to hinder any success we have.
Your party continually provides terrorists in Iraq propaganda victories, because of the perceived hurt that it does
to GW Bush. I feel

What enemies were in Iraq when we attacked? Not to mention how screwed up and unprepared we were once we took the country. We made a cesspool out of nothing and there still is no plan in place to win. Bush isn't taking his own advice in that "If it doesn't work, change it".

And sorry to you Brad, but while President Bush actually confronts enemies,

This is how deformed your thinking is. We attack Afganistan which was the right thing to do then we leave it before the job is done to attack Iraq which had done nothing but be a pain in the ass. Now because of this adminstrations screw-up, the Taliban is making major inroads back in and we can't do anything about it. Not to mention Afganistan is now the worlds #1 supplier in poppy seed drug products. Now two rouge nations has or is in the process of getting the bomb and we can't do squat about it because we are tied up in Iraq where we had no business being in in the first place. How you feel safer is beyond me. Me, I fear for my kids and grandchildren.

because of the perceived hurt that it does to GW Bush.

I have no idea where you pulled this from because everything I have said is based on fact and I have said none of this garbage you pulled out.

pursue open borders with Mexico

Where on earth did you get this from?

and go back to the days where a terrorist attack warrants no response.

It's a given that Clinton tried to get bin Laden. Thats fact. We have never been as close to getting bin Laden as when we had our intelligence and armed forces in Afganistan yet we walked away and left a token force which have lost control which is nothing on them it is the fault of this administrations bungleing. Also please remember that nothing of the magnitude of 9/11 had ever happened before.
You seem to forget that the CIA, Rice and Rumsfeld knew something big was going to happen in June, yet Rice and Rumsfeld blew it off plus didn't bother notifying Bush. Yet the one man who tried to get the ball rolling was forced to resign (Tenent).
We have screwed up every slice of pie we have our fingers in. If you can find one thing we have not screwed up please enlighten me.
I'm glad you feel safer because I sure don't.You need to open your eyes and ears and stop being a blind and deaf follower.

[Sea Demon]

In every election cycle, the voters have rejected your assertions here. Clinton and the Democrats were weak on National security, gave space technology to China which is now prolioferating around the world, have been derelict in their duties to protect the borders, and have shown corruption which makes the Republican stuff pale in comparison. Because as I've said, the Republicans purge their bad apples, Democrats make excuses and cover up theirs.

Nothing's changed Brad. It doesn't help you to pretend Democrats are strong on national security when they aren't. Democrats have worked diligently to kill our current efforts during this war. Democrats have been basically working for Al Qaeda in Iraq for the last year using their speeches in a form of crude Information Warfare. Look at the words of the appeasers in your party like Howard Dean, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc. etc. etc. over the last two years.

But it looks like they're trying to wise up while you continue to live in your dreamworld.

Take a look at this....

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2935-1652r.htm

Your party can't even be honest about who they are and what they stand for. This shows you where the country truly stands.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Where on earth did you get this from?

I'm watching your party in my state.

It's a given that Clinton tried to get bin Laden. Thats fact.

Yeah, because he said so. :rotfl:

I'm glad you feel safer because I sure don't.You need to open your eyes and ears and stop being a blind and deaf follower.

I'm not entirely feeling safe. I just don't think your Democrat Party is up to the task of defending this Nation. And they have proven it. You are the king of the followers, sir.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Sorry, multiple DUI's. Thats why his record went convieniantly missing.

Then how do you know it happened?:hmm:

Originally Posted by bradclark1

What enemies were in Iraq when we attacked? Not to mention how screwed up and unprepared we were once we took the country. We made a cesspool out of nothing and there still is no plan in place to win. Bush isn't taking his own advice in that "If it doesn't work, change it".

Who started making a deal about Iraq? We were doing fine until a liberal complained.

Originally Posted by bradclark1

....then we leave it before the job is done to attack Iraq....

You obviously don't realize that troops are still in country, unless you are forgetting Green Baretts, Navy S.E.A.L.'s, and Air Force combat controllers.

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It's a given that Clinton tried to get bin Laden. Thats fact. We have never been as close to getting bin Laden as when we had our intelligence and armed forces in Afganistan yet we walked away and left a token force which have lost control which is nothing on them it is the fault of this administrations bungleing. Also please remember that nothing of the magnitude of 9/11 had ever happened before.
You seem to forget that the CIA, Rice and Rumsfeld knew something big was going to happen in June, yet Rice and Rumsfeld blew it off plus didn't bother notifying Bush. Yet the one man who tried to get the ball rolling was forced to resign (Tenent).
We have screwed up every slice of pie we have our fingers in. If you can find one thing we have not screwed up please enlighten me.
I'm glad you feel safer because I sure don't.You need to open your eyes and ears and stop being a blind and deaf follower.

By we, i assume you are reffering to Democrats?:p

[bradclark1]

Then how do you know it happened?

If you remember back in the first election it was a point of contention in the beginning. Thats when the records went poof.

Who started making a deal about Iraq? We were doing fine until a liberal complained.

Thats a reason? Thats all you can come up with?

You obviously don't realize that troops are still in country, unless you are forgetting Green Baretts, Navy S.E.A.L.'s, and Air Force combat controllers.

Errr, token force? I could have sworn I said token force. Let me go back and read my last comment. - Yep thats what I said. Token = slight; perfunctory; minimal.

By we, i assume you are reffering to Democrats?

No. When I say we I mean America. You see I'm American first and formost. To me "we" is America so when this goverment screws up it's on all of us. When your country has only two political parties and the one you have now is not doing the job you get rid of it. You get the other party in hoping they can do better. To me blind party loyalty is simply idiotic.
If you want to be republican first then by all means you have that right.

[Sea Demon]

Brad, you are a Democrat first and it shows. It's as clear as the sky outside my window is blue. Your response to ASWNut does not help your case at all. The Democrats have never done better on the issues needing work today. Their history is one of appeasement (North Korea), defeatism (Iraq), weakness (China proliferation), and insanity (Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups). Your party is now working on a way to give terrorists constitutional protections for cryin' out loud.

Sir, you ain't foolin' anybody.

[bradclark1]

I'm watching your party in my state.

Sorry, I have no idea what happens in individual states. I'm only interested in national and international. Considering California has a large Mexican population it shouldn't come as any suprise should it.

Yeah, because he said so.

You must not have been watching the news back in the later half of the 90's. It made the news often enough or are you using selective memory, or of course you might have been too young.

I just don't think your Democrat Party is up to the task of defending this Nation. And they have proven it.

How have they proven it? The Republicans have proven they aren't up to the task. There has been failures in Afganistan, Iraq, North Korea, and Iran. Unprotected borders five years after 9/11. Ports that inpect only 5% of cargo brought into this country which was the same percentage pre 9/11. So sir, where has the Republican led goverment proven their worth?

You are the king of the followers, sir.

Afraid not. I have no blind party loyalty. If one party fails you get the other party in. Republicans have proved their unworthyness so it's time to fire them and bring in the other party. You don't ride a dead horse.

[Sea Demon]

No, you got it wrong Brad. All these things you say that needs change, is something the Democrats have proven they don't want to solve. That horse died over 15 years ago. Digging it up and getting back on is no answer. The Republicans at least are confronting the issues your party refuse to even look at. Your ignorance of state politics is not my concern. If you paid a little more attention, you might actually be a little more concerned. There are indeed alot of people of Mexican Heritage out here in California. My family is such people. But we also want the borders closed, and immigration laws enforced. Alot of legal Hispanics want that. We have watched your party fail and have seen pro-active steps taken by Republicans to end some of the insanity. It took a Republican to stop the "Drivers licenses for illegals" nonsense out here. It took a Republican to actually make an issue out of terrorism. It took a Republican to actually pursue enforcement of UN Resolutions that your party loves so much.

The Democrats have no business running this country. Their goals and views are untenable in a free society. We're already hearing about how they want to kill the tax cuts despite more money flowing into the treasury, and the deficit reduction accelerating faster than anticipated. In essence......your party is obsolete.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Brad, you are a Democrat first and it shows. It's as clear as the sky outside my window is blue. Your response to ASWNut does not help your case at all. The Democrats have never done better on the issues needing work today. Their history is one of appeasement (North Korea), defeatism (Iraq), weakness (China proliferation), and insanity (Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups). Your party is now working on a way to give terrorists constitutional protections for cryin' out loud.

Sir, you ain't foolin' anybody.

Give it a break Sea Demon. So now I'm a closet democrat? Whatever floats your boat.

The Democrats have never done better on the issues needing work today.

The Democrats were not in power for 9/11 or after were they, so how could they have done any better or not? The world changed on 9/11.

Their history is one of appeasement (North Korea), defeatism (Iraq), weakness (China proliferation), and insanity (Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups). Your party is now working on a way to give terrorists constitutional protections for cryin' out loud.

Let me give you a little education on N. Korea. They have Russian heavy water reactors. That makes it easy for them to get the ingredients for the bomb. America was going to give them light water reactors which N. Korea virtually couldn't use to make the bomb in exchange for the dismantling of the heavy water reactors. Just might be me but I can't find fault with that line of thinking.
The Bush administration has done nothing with Korea in six years. They now have the bomb. Who screwed up? The U.S. had a division plus in S. Korea. Now there is a brigade or less. Who drew it down? The Bush administration.
Iraq : We had everything in one location which was Afganistan. What did we do? We virtually walked out without acomplishing the mission and invaded Iraq. How stupid is that? Now we are loosing Afganistan because we let the Taliban and Al Qaeda walk right back in.
Iraq has been an Bush administration cock-up since day one. So what are we doing? We are losing both Afganistan and Iraq because we did half assed jobs in both places and it's not because of our troops on the ground.
The Bush administration set our forces up for failure the second they dicided to invade Iraq and spread and feed terrorism.
Now we can't do a thing about N. Korea or Iran. To me the Bush administration is a monumental failure. All these half assed measures has us so bogged down we can't do anything about two rouge nations getting the bomb and thats scary on a global scale.

Your party is now working on a way to give terrorists constitutional protections for cryin' out loud.

No what Bush did was screw up again and slot them with the Geneva Convention. That was another dumb move.

and insanity (Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups).

I have no idea what you are getting at here.