real life question about the Virginias and Seawolfs

Henson · 10-08-06, 05:59 PM

No, Virginia is expensive as hell.

You want the truth? Seawolf class submarines (BSY-2) are updating to Virginia (BYG-1/BQQ-10 ARCI TI-04) fire control and sonar processing. Figure it out.

Dr.Sid · 10-09-06, 02:54 AM

What I heard is that Virginia was supposed to be cheaper, but it finished on like 80-90% of the price of SW. On the other hand, it is modular, easy to upgrade, has some revolutional concepts (like non-penetrating masts). It has everything to stay in service for a long time.

Kapitan · 10-09-06, 07:44 AM

And it best be worth every penny too !

SeaQueen · 10-09-06, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

What I heard is that Virginia was supposed to be cheaper, but it finished on like 80-90% of the price of SW. On the other hand, it is modular, easy to upgrade, has some revolutional concepts (like non-penetrating masts). It has everything to stay in service for a long time.

Part of what makes submarines so expensive these days is that the force requirements are so low, so only low production rates are required to meet the force level requirements. Low rate production is always more expensive per unit than cracking out a bazillion of submarines, but that's not what the Navy needs.

I think the real loser program in the defense budget right now is the F-22. I know the Airforce is willing to sell it's soul to build the thing, but it's SO expensive. Compared to the JSF (which isn't cheap at all), it isn't clear at all that they'll be able to really justify it. I think the Airforce is going to be the big loser in all future defense budgets until someone manages to kill that program.

SUBMAN1 · 10-09-06, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Henson

No, Virginia is expensive as hell.

You want the truth? Seawolf class submarines (BSY-2) are updating to Virginia (BYG-1/BQQ-10 ARCI TI-04) fire control and sonar processing. Figure it out.

To build a Seawolf is 3 times the cost of a Virginia (The very reason it was cancelled in favor of building the cheaper Virginia), so figure it out. :p Never quite understood how the Seawolf project was cancelled due to cost before building the first boat, yet the Navy still produced 3 boats that aren't supposed to be funded for.

Doesn't surprise me that the Navy is updating its best boat to the latest Sonar though. Sonar has probably advanced significantly in the last 10 years. Seawolf is modular and this shows that, but Virginia has it beat in that area.

-S

Dr.Sid · 10-09-06, 04:31 PM

3 times ? That's pretty different of what I hear. Anybody knows ?

SUBMAN1 · 10-09-06, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

3 times ? That's pretty different of what I hear. Anybody knows ?

The Virginia's were 1 Bil in like 1995 $. The Seawolf were cancelled due to being $3 Bil.

Dr.Sid · 10-09-06, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

3 times ? That's pretty different of what I hear. Anybody knows ?

The Virginia's were 1 Bil in like 1995 $. The Seawolf were cancelled due to being $3 Bil.

What I've just found on google is it is $2.3 billion now. 1995 .. hell that's previous millenium man ..

GrayFox · 10-09-06, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Henson

No, Virginia is expensive as hell.

You want the truth? Seawolf class submarines (BSY-2) are updating to Virginia (BYG-1/BQQ-10 ARCI TI-04) fire control and sonar processing. Figure it out.

Doesnt have anything to do with the propulsor or the noise signature, its just spending money to make the seawolf an even better killer.

As for the cost of the seawolfs, it doesnt include the USS Jimmy Carter, which was modified for special operations, whic prolly bumped the cost of the ship higher than that of the other 2 seawolfs and is prolly the most costly sub the US has.

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Henson Planesman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 185 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	No, Virginia is expensive as hell. You want the truth? Seawolf class submarines (BSY-2) are updating to Virginia (BYG-1/BQQ-10 ARCI TI-04) fire control and sonar processing. Figure it out.

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Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What I heard is that Virginia was supposed to be cheaper, but it finished on like 80-90% of the price of SW. On the other hand, it is modular, easy to upgrade, has some revolutional concepts (like non-penetrating masts). It has everything to stay in service for a long time.

10-09-06, 04:31 PM	#6
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	3 times ? That's pretty different of what I hear. Anybody knows ?