For 9/11 Conspiracy nutters! This for U

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

No he didn't! That's BS once again. Man you sure do come up with some bogus things! Silly Rabbit!

Ooh. Look at all those Republican voters. Oooh. Bush got 62,040,606 votes in election 2004. More than any other President in US history.

[Payoff]

Those are impressive numbers when you think about all of the illegals, drug addicts, union strong armed and dead folks that voted for the democrats. Speaking of stolen elections, I seem to recall a fellow named . . . Kennedy who stole an election for the dems by using said dead voters in Chicago. Funny how the dems are fighting mandatory photo I.D.s to vote. Hmmmm. :hmm:

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

At any rate, this isn't so hard to figure out. 1/3 of the voting population are hardcore lefties. They are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.

Sea Naz...Sea Demon, i normally do not say things like this, but please make sure we never really meet. I do not think the outcome would be nice for anyone.

Posts like Sea Demon's just above show why Comparing American Republicans to Nazis is not wrong. It proves that it is a correct Comparsion. Currently Sea Demon, our litte Right Wing Radical is on the Position of "Left Wing people are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.", now let's just imaginery put him one step further thorwards the right. Then he would have said "Left Wing people are nuts, dumb, and gernerally worse compared to the American Republican Master Race. They are Untermenschen and should not be walking on the streets, they are having bad influence on our kids. They should be put in camps getting gas'ed."

Do we want such People to make the decisions on what the Future of this Planet depends, because they are a Superpower?

Most People will say no. Or think that comparsion is a bit drastic because they are hiding in thier glass house, or rather, Nuclear Bunker Named "USA", with Oncle sam telling them storys to candlelight and marshmellows.

Originally Posted by stabiz

Posts like this explain why USA is down in the world polls.

Agree totally. But....

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Like anyone in the US cares about "world polls".

Thats your Problem. You don't care how Reckless, Idiotic, Nazi, Aggressive, or Rude your actions seem to the Rest of the World. This is one of the reasons why Europe and US people hate each other so much.

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Since I am a man of peace I don't believe in war to be used to "control or occupy" another nation that did not attack my own to begin with. Unlike Japan which did attack my country first, I do agree on war efforts. I feel the A-bombs used at the end were a bit too extreme and uncalled for though.

I am leftie too, and i go even one step farer, calling the A-Bomb attack a Inhuman action. The US could have invaded Japan, saving many Civilist lives wich are still lost today due radiation. But no, the US had to test it's new toy.

The Attack of The Japanese Empire was a attack from Military forces on a Military Target, a Military used Harbor. I did some reserch and found out that the attack killed 68 civilians and 2,403 American Military Personell. How much Civilians did the Attack with the A-Bomb cost? I am sure as hell more Civilians then Military!

The US excuse is that the bombings ended the war months sooner than would otherwise have been the case, saving many lives that would have been lost if the planned invasion of japan had taken place. Well, my attitude is that if you go to the Army you should be ready to get your Head blown off anyway, and it would have saved many, many Japanese civilian lives.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

You have succeeded, you pissed me, and them off by calling us fags with no balls. Well, then i can just piss you off too!





Take that.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I could now Insert the Michael Moore DVD and make a Propagande pic (Wich your's is too!) showing the Faces of Bush and his Dumb Assistants faces with bonanza hats and clothes and then write "The Backwards and Trigger-Happy Right" under it, but i am to lazy.

Now let's continue with the Serious stuff...

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I'm sorry if you took it personal however you don't discuss things, you preach. Take a look at both our past posts and you'll see I have expressed what I believe to be valid arguments while you post mini books.

SubSerpent does not post "mini books". He Points out that he thinks the decisions of the Republican governement SUCK and are bad. And i agree. All left wing people will agree, because bush did some very right wing things. Like invading Iraq even if the bin Laden sucker was in afganistan, simply because he couldn't do nothing, nor could he invade Afganistan, cause that would have meant no pipeline for little Georgie.

He has valid points, and his "mini books" rule compared to your posts , wich just consist out of "Your wrong, america **** yeah, Republican is teh r0x0rz !!111!".

There are only Americans on the Internet as it seems.

And the People here in austria are even worse. Stupid Right Wing!

"Right" Politics mean thougher laws, Harder Restrictions, Military interventions, and other **** nobody wants. And the Republicans are simply:

1.Conservative (Wich always will suck, because it means begin not open for new better ways)
2.Republican Reign means that not People are in charge, it means money is. And Money has no Ideals, Political Ideas, or Mercy. It only cares how it can get more.
3.I could list some more but i have better things to do and my English sucks, SubSerpent can take that part.

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Yeah, killing babies and women and other innocents in Iraq is really sane! Whatever dude!

They can't controle thier Soldiers. But no wonder, they just don't care anymore what thier soldiers do down there, if they kill civilians or die, they are just still down there because bush needs an excuse for certain things.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

How old are you? 12?

Ah, the Good 'ol Age argument all Right wing people use if they run out of Arguments or Feel Annoyed.

Wow, my Longest post on the Matter in a while. Can i get a medal for this?
No, because it's still shorter than the Average Skybird posts. Well, no one Managed to beat this intelectuall jet. But i can at least say i tried.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Sea Naz...Sea Demon, i normally do not say things like this, but please make sure we never really meet. I do not think the outcome would be nice for anyone.

Posts like Sea Demon's just above show why Comparing American Republicans to Nazis is not wrong. It proves that it is a correct Comparsion. Currently Sea Demon, our litte Right Wing Radical is on the Position of "Left Wing people are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.", now let's just imaginery put him one step further thorwards the right. Then he would have said "Left Wing people are nuts, dumb, and gernerally worse compared to the American Republican Master Race. They are Untermenschen and should not be walking on the streets, they are having bad influence on our kids. They should be put in camps getting gas'ed."

Do we want such People to make the decisions on what the Future of this Planet depends, because they are a Superpower?

Most People will say no. Or think that comparsion is a bit drastic because they are hiding in thier glass house, or rather, Nuclear Bunker Named "USA", with Oncle sam telling them storys to candlelight and marshmellows.

Agree totally. But....

Thats your Problem. You don't care how Reckless, Idiotic, Nazi, Aggressive, or Rude your actions seem to the Rest of the World. This is one of the reasons why Europe and US people hate each other so much.

I am leftie too, and i go even one step farer, calling the A-Bomb attack a Inhuman action. The US could have invaded Japan, saving many Civilist lives wich are still lost today due radiation. But no, the US had to test it's new toy.

The Attack of The Japanese Empire was a attack from Military forces on a Military Target, a Military used Harbor. I did some reserch and found out that the attack killed 68 civilians and 2,403 American Military Personell. How much Civilians did the Attack with the A-Bomb cost? I am sure as hell more Civilians then Military!

The US excuse is that the bombings ended the war months sooner than would otherwise have been the case, saving many lives that would have been lost if the planned invasion of japan had taken place. Well, my attitude is that if you go to the Army you should be ready to get your Head blown off anyway, and it would have saved many, many Japanese civilian lives.

You have succeeded, you pissed me, and them off by calling us fags with no balls. Well, then i can just piss you off too!





Take that.

I could now Insert the Michael Moore DVD and make a Propagande pic (Wich your's is too!) showing the Faces of Bush and his Dumb Assistants faces with bonanza hats and clothes and then write "The Backwards and Trigger-Happy Right" under it, but i am to lazy.

Now let's continue with the Serious stuff...

SubSerpent does not post "mini books". He Points out that he thinks the decisions of the Republican governement SUCK and are bad. And i agree. All left wing people will agree, because bush did some very right wing things. Like invading Iraq even if the bin Laden sucker was in afganistan, simply because he couldn't do nothing, nor could he invade Afganistan, cause that would have meant no pipeline for little Georgie.

He has valid points, and his "mini books" rule compared to your posts , wich just consist out of "Your wrong, america **** yeah, Republican is teh r0x0rz !!111!".

There are only Americans on the Internet as it seems.

And the People here in austria are even worse. Stupid Right Wing!

"Right" Politics mean thougher laws, Harder Restrictions, Military interventions, and other **** nobody wants. And the Republicans are simply:

1.Conservative (Wich always will suck, because it means begin not open for new better ways)
2.Republican Reign means that not People are in charge, it means money is. And Money has no Ideals, Political Ideas, or Mercy. It only cares how it can get more.
3.I could list some more but i have better things to do and my English sucks, SubSerpent can take that part.

They can't controle thier Soldiers. But no wonder, they just don't care anymore what thier soldiers do down there, if they kill civilians or die, they are just still down there because bush needs an excuse for certain things.

Ah, the Good 'ol Age argument all Right wing people use if they run out of Arguments or Feel Annoyed.

Wow, my Longest post on the Matter in a while. Can i get a medal for this?
No, because it's still shorter than the Average Skybird posts. Well, no one Managed to beat this intelectuall jet. But i can at least say i tried.

You sure have a thing about Nazis, don't you, I lost count on how many times you mentioned them in your mini book. And yes I am a right winger and a member of the NRA but not a cowboy (Puerto Rican actually). But for all the pissing and moaning you do, you are not in a position to do anything about it. At least I can vote. I am a republican because I don't agree with the Dems policy of raising taxes to provide funds for welfare and other give aways. I almost voted for Clintion the first time around till he said he tried pot but didn't "inhale". That told me he thought the American public was stupid. How he ran his 2 terms prove this. If the Dems provide a viable canidate I might vote for him. You see, I listen to the canidates speeches and make informed decisions based on their plans for the future of the country. I know this sounds strange to you since you are so hung up on Nazis and left wing ideals.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

You sure have a thing about Nazis, don't you, I lost count on how many times you mentioned them in your mini book.

I only mentontion them if i see a good chance to do so.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

And yes I am a right winger and a member of the NRA but not a cowboy (Puerto Rican actually). But for all the pissing and moaning you do, you are not in a position to do anything about it.

Member of the NRA? Holy Crap, even worse then i thought. Gun nut...

And yes, we are in a position to do something about it. Let's see in 20 Years. America will have changed. The rest of the world is pissed at USA. So i am.

Still you are totally sick for saying we wouldn't have balls...i can't help it, but i have to flame back...Moron.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

At least I can vote.

So what, i can too, in my country.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I am a republican because I don't agree with the Dems policy of raising taxes to provide funds for welfare and other give aways.

You Sir, are a very selfish person. You only care about yourself, no matter if the rest of the World dies. I'd be glad to pay the Welfare taxes, because i help the poor with it. Cause of "Me First!" people like you america now has enought money to succesfully tyrann the World.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I almost voted for Clintion the first time around till he said he tried pot but didn't "inhale".

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So you Really think Bush didn't try such sh** when he was yunger? :rotfl:
He just wasn't honest, and thats why you voted for him. :rotfl:

It's too funny! :rotfl:

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

That told me he thought the American public was stupid.

He was entirely right.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

You see, I listen to the canidates speeches and make informed decisions based on their plans for the future of the country.

Everyone does this. And here in my Country the Left wing is the only acceptable candidate. The Capitalists only care about economy, the Right Wing are Nazis over here, so only the Left wing is useful. And i believe it is the same way for the USA. With a Left Wing in power, bush's sh** could have been avoided. Or do you really think the Iraq war was good..:rotfl::rotfl:

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I know this sounds strange to you since you are so hung up on Nazis and left wing ideals.

Correct.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Noob

I only mentontion them if i see a good chance to do so.

I haven't seen any of these good chances you are talking about.

Member of the NRA? Holy Crap, even worse then i thought. Gun nut...

I have no position on gun control, simply because both sides are constantly presenting facts that contradict one another and I cannot figure out whose statistics are lying (might be both sides, BTW).

Since you're such an expert, however, and since every NRA member must be a gun nut in your book, can you please respond in detail to this article:

Newsflash: Criminals, it seems, don’t obey laws.

I'm sure you can easily counterpoint the article, being so assured in your opinions.

And yes, we are in a position to do something about it. Let's see in 20 Years. America will have changed. The rest of the world is pissed at USA. So i am.

As an American citizen I'd just like to say that frankly, Noob, I don't give a damn.

Still you are totally sick for saying we wouldn't have balls...

I'm safe here...........................

You Sir, are a very selfish person. You only care about yourself, no matter if the rest of the World dies.

You're a very pig-headed person. Saying that you do not believe in a massive social welfare policy does not make a person selfish. Get over your supposed moral superiority.

I'd be glad to pay the Welfare taxes, because i help the poor with it.

Great idea. I'd love to see voluntary taxes imposed and then watch the bleeding heart masses put up or shut up.

Cause of "Me First!" people like you america now has enought money to succesfully tyrann the World.

There's a perfect word for this type of talk: rhetoric.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I have no position on gun control, simply because both sides are constantly presenting facts that contradict one another and I cannot figure out whose statistics are lying (might be both sides, BTW).

Since you're such an expert, however, and since every NRA member must be a gun nut in your book, can you please respond in detail to this article:

Newsflash: Criminals, it seems, don’t obey laws.

Hmmm. That Article brings up a valid point.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I'm sure you can easily counterpoint the article, being so assured in your opinions.

I Fear you are wrong there.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

As an American citizen I'd just like to say that frankly, Noob, I don't give a damn.

And i don't doubt that. You just don't give a damn what the Rest of the World thinks of you, as an American citizen. Your leaders can do what they want. You don't give a damn.

Sometimes i really wish i would be a Braindead American who don't gives a damn, my life would be more enjoyable then. But no, i'm a Austrian Leftie and have to suffer...

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

You're a very pig-headed person.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Saying that you do not believe in a massive social welfare policy does not make a person selfish.

Well, i just think the other way around. Those People need help, and someone has to pay it. Everyone a bit is the best choice for stuff like this.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Get over your supposed moral superiority.

No. NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

There's a perfect word for this type of talk: rhetoric.

I think it can be better explained by a Flame War of the Sides and Ideoligys. Such things cost much power wich could be used someware else better (at least for me). Still everyone does take a part in it. And my side is always heavily outnumbered.

I better stop now.

It's always like that. I always swear to never open my mouth on Politics again but all the time i come back to it.

But things like "The Looney left" or this pictures by SkvyWvr are on a level i don't lower myself to. Such sh** wich is only intended to piss off or provocate is just damn RETARDED and last but not least, CHILDISH.

End of Rant.

*Stands up and Runs outta thread*

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by The Noob

*Stands up and Runs outta thread*

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Noob

And i don't doubt that. You just don't give a damn what the Rest of the World thinks of you, as an American citizen. Your leaders can do what they want. You don't give a damn.

Not true at all. Once again you make false assumptions. Whether I agree or disagree with a policy of my country is not or need not be dependent on the rantings of others, whom I'm just as much entitled to agree or disagree with.

Sometimes i really wish i would be a Braindead American who don't gives a damn, my life would be more enjoyable then. But no, i'm a Austrian Leftie and have to suffer...

Bummer.

That's what you get for making wild assumption about other people here and misconstruing their words to suit your obvious anti-American non-left stereotype.

Well, i just think the other way around. Those People need help, and someone has to pay it. Everyone a bit is the best choice for stuff like this.

I didn't understand your last sentence but by the time you explain it to us, Sweden's social state will be that much more of a social case.

Too much of a good thing is no good.

[Immacolata]

I think it is slightly myopic to believe that Sweden is the welfare paradise of the world. That makes you fall for the same one-eyedness you accuse americans of. Swedens redistribution model is one way to achieve welfare. The american jobs and consumption for everyone is another. Both systems produce losers that turns into junkies, drunkies, munchies etc.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Immacolata

I think it is slightly myopic to believe that Sweden is the welfare paradise of the world.

On the contrary. I don't. And I thought I had clearly stated so.

Read: Sweden drowning in crime, unemployment, high taxes.

For a crazier read, see Crazy for Work.

[Immacolata]

AVL, you argue against me yet we say the same. Ill rewrite that then. I believe it is naïve to think that Sweden is the welfare paradise of the world. By that I mean that even if the system rules have all the nice sweet things written down, the actual modern swedish society isn't a dance on roses or how to put it. It has losers, many losers, but stowed away on various "accounts" to make it look like all is bliss and well.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

*Comes back, From Hairs to Boots Covered with ammo, like some crazy midjet rambo*

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I didn't understand your last sentence but by the time you explain it to us, Sweden's social state will be that much more of a social case.

DISAGREE.

Sweden Rocks.
I seriously consider to move to Sweden.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Too much of a good thing is no good.

A thing we like to say over here too. But in Sweden it is not too much. It's nice there.

Sweden was long time speaked of by the Left wing of europe as a third way between Socialism and Capitalism. Thanks to some reform's this has changed since the 90's.

Still it is nice to be over there.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

That's what you get for making wild assumption about other people here and misconstruing their words to suit your obvious anti-American non-left stereotype.

No, what made me using the pissed smiley was the fact that you could be correct.

Originally Posted by Immacolata

I think it is slightly myopic to believe that Sweden is the welfare paradise of the world.

Well, there is no more social country then sweden, in my opinion the best country in the world. Does not make any military interventions like America. Builds nice Conventional submarines. And rocks.

Originally Posted by Immacolata

That makes you fall for the same one-eyedness you accuse americans of.

Hmmmmm. Could be correct. :hmm:

Originally Posted by Immacolata

The american jobs and consumption for everyone is another.

Wich i do not like.

Originally Posted by Immacolata

Both systems produce losers that turns into junkies, drunkies, munchies etc.

Every system does.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Immacolata

AVL, you argue against me yet we say the same. Ill rewrite that then. I believe it is naïve to think that Sweden is the welfare paradise of the world. By that I mean that even if the system rules have all the nice sweet things written down, the actual modern swedish society isn't a dance on roses or how to put it. It has losers, many losers, but stowed away on various "accounts" to make it look like all is bliss and well.

Ah!

This calls for a quote:

"Liberalism has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly."
- Winston Churchill, Kinnaird Hall, Dundee, May 14, 1908.

[SkvyWvr]

[quote=The Noob]
Sweden Rocks.
I seriously consider to move to Sweden. [quote]