TW 2.2 & getting the most out of your u-boat

redleaf · 10-03-06, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

SimNut,

If submerged at ahead slow in 5mps winds you travel at 2knots then at 15 mps that may result in a speed of 1+ knots. This is the way that all ships work in the real world.

To over come this Captains will order either a certain RPM to achieve a known speed or specify the knot speed.

I hope this helps you understand the system better.

I'm assuming this is only for persicope depth (and less)? I wouldn't see the wind speed having an effect on a sub deeper than that - so is this the case?

Cheers,
red

Der Teddy Bar · 10-03-06, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by redleaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

SimNut,

If submerged at ahead slow in 5mps winds you travel at 2knots then at 15 mps that may result in a speed of 1+ knots. This is the way that all ships work in the real world.

To over come this Captains will order either a certain RPM to achieve a known speed or specify the knot speed.

I hope this helps you understand the system better.

I'm assuming this is only for persicope depth (and less)? I wouldn't see the wind speed having an effect on a sub deeper than that - so is this the case?

Cheers,
red

It is only at periscope depth and not always. Also, as soon as you hit 20 metres any effect is immediately gone.

It is my understanding that in the real world the wave action as far as rocking is concerned could be felt as deep as 35+ metres.

redleaf · 10-03-06, 06:31 AM

Thanks DTB, my frown lines are smoothed away

Sailor Steve · 10-03-06, 11:02 AM

A quote from Das Boot:

Kapitan (while looking through periscope): "Watch your depth, chief!"

Dowly · 10-03-06, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A quote from Das Boot:

Kapitan (while looking through periscope): "Watch your depth, chief!"

SimNut · 10-03-06, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A quote from Das Boot:

Kapitan (while looking through periscope): "Watch your depth, chief!"

Exactly. He didn't run over and tell them what to do or how to do it, he didn't have to manipulate controls, he gave them an order and relied on their expertise to carry it out.

SubConscious · 10-03-06, 01:14 PM

I have experienced this and find the effect to add another dimension of difficulty and excitement to the game. Rather than getting into position and sitting and waiting, I now have to plan ahead and keep the boat moving to maintain my depth.

Last night I was hammering a small merchant with my deck gun when I got jumped by a destroyer. It was September '39, so he was setting his depth charges too shallow, but he still managed to wing me a few times. I crept under the crippled merchant (thanks to his spot lights and my observation scope, but damn the murky water!) to weather out the storm and for the first time, ordered all stop on the engines. The boat just very slowly settled down to the bottom at 90 meters, which is where I am presently as I had to stop the game in order to get some sleep.

Now if there was a way to increase time compression while sitting on or near the bottom without having to tweak the "near land" values...

But I digress. The "settling" effect might be "unsettling" for some, but I appreciate the added realism. Kudos to whoever thought this one up!

Der Teddy Bar · 10-03-06, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimNut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A quote from Das Boot:

Kapitan (while looking through periscope): "Watch your depth, chief!"

Exactly. He didn't run over and tell them what to do or how to do it, he didn't have to manipulate controls, he gave them an order and relied on their expertise to carry it out.

SimNut,
I believe that I have not explained myself well enough, a habit I have as I am easily distracted

When you order any depth when using NYGM TW 2.2 the crew will maintain that depth, there is no need for you to have any further input.

The exceptions are, when you have flooding and the weight is more than the dive planes can compensate for at the current speed, or when you are going too slow, say <1 knots or when effected by the wave action at periscope depth.

So what is required of you, the Captain, to rectify this? Simply order a speed, either in knots or a 'ahead ##' and the crew will automatically bring your u-boat to the correct depth.

You have made reference to in real life a captain would not have to do such and such.

In real life if a Captain (or the officer on the bridge etc) ordered a given speed then I can assure you that no one, and I do mean No One, will second guess the Captain and order a higher speed to maintain depth.

They would instead inform the Captain of the situation and then the Captain would issue updated orders which may be to go at a faster speed.

And this is exactly what you have to do with NYGM TW 2.2

Sailor Steve · 10-03-06, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SimNut

Exactly. He didn't run over and tell them what to do or how to do it, he didn't have to manipulate controls, he gave them an order and relied on their expertise to carry it out.

No, but he did have to say something-he couldn't just ignore it.

Deimos01 · 10-03-06, 05:17 PM

Ahhh, that explains now the various speeds I was getting at given engine settings. Its the wind.

Very Cool!

10-03-06, 11:02 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	A quote from Das Boot: Kapitan (while looking through periscope): "Watch your depth, chief!" __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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redleaf Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Thanks DTB, my frown lines are smoothed away

10-03-06, 01:14 PM	#7
SubConscious Frogman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 309 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	I have experienced this and find the effect to add another dimension of difficulty and excitement to the game. Rather than getting into position and sitting and waiting, I now have to plan ahead and keep the boat moving to maintain my depth. Last night I was hammering a small merchant with my deck gun when I got jumped by a destroyer. It was September '39, so he was setting his depth charges too shallow, but he still managed to wing me a few times. I crept under the crippled merchant (thanks to his spot lights and my observation scope, but damn the murky water!) to weather out the storm and for the first time, ordered all stop on the engines. The boat just very slowly settled down to the bottom at 90 meters, which is where I am presently as I had to stop the game in order to get some sleep. Now if there was a way to increase time compression while sitting on or near the bottom without having to tweak the "near land" values... But I digress. The "settling" effect might be "unsettling" for some, but I appreciate the added realism. Kudos to whoever thought this one up!

10-03-06, 05:17 PM	#10
Deimos01 Frogman Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St louis Posts: 304 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Ahhh, that explains now the various speeds I was getting at given engine settings. Its the wind. Very Cool!