Attack on Pearl harbour?? Do you think it will be possible for us to prevent it??

DanCanovas · 10-03-06, 05:14 AM

no there is no chance of averting pearl habour.

JU_88 · 10-03-06, 05:26 AM

Its a dynamic campaign, this would have no repercusions on the story, (so yes- no alternate story line)
But we can start patrolling before pearl harobor takes place, pearl was attacked by carrier launched planes,
SO in theory so long as the carriers are physically where they should be - (and not some kind of invisible entity) we can attack them, but i doubt this will have an effect on ta scripted pearl harbour attack.

I should have been more clear, I ment prevent the attack in the campaign so that physically less planes can take part in the attack, the story would be uneffected of course. Much like the way you can sink the task force that sinks the Bismark in SH3, if youre in the right place at the right time. but the Bismark is still destroyed regardless in the storyline.

Still, im sure we will be able to attack the taskforce and sink some CVs, though it probably wount effect pearl, this would be too much work for the devs.

HunterICX · 10-03-06, 06:08 AM

in Theory, they didnt know where the Cariers where going and where they would strike on. They noticed it after the first bomb striked an Ship of Pearl harbour. So no...I think the Campaign will start about a couple of hours before the IJN planes will strike. so you cant do nothing against it. the devs probally wont allow you to spot the cariers at all. its too late

Torplexed · 10-03-06, 07:14 AM

Given the speed of the Japanese task force if you start at Pearl Harbour you don't have a prayer of catching up with them before they begin their departure from the area. The Japanese launch point was 230 miles north of Oahu. The average ships speed in the task force was 30 knots, a mathematical impossibility to catch up with.

Most US subs in the area probably would have had more to fear from trigger-happy friendly forces that day even if they had been able to pursue the Japanese.

Oberon · 10-03-06, 07:45 AM

No...no...no...everyone knows that the only way to even come close to preventing Pearl Harbour is to take a Nimitz class carrier and teleport it back in time from 1980 to the day before Pearl Harbour was attacked!

On a more serious note, I think the best way to represent Pearl would be to spawn the planes in, rather than spawn in the entire Jap fleet, as Torplexed pointed out, they were hauling ass, and you've have to know exactly where to find them to stand a chance...and with that knowledge, and the ability to change time...it'd be like being Kirk Douglas

I've read people on SHIII escorting the Bismarck all the way back to Germany whilst receiving reports that the Bismarck had been sunk and requires the crew rescuing. It'd be that kind of scenario.

Safe-Keeper · 10-03-06, 08:18 AM

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No...no...no...everyone knows that the only way to even come close to preventing Pearl Harbour is to take a Nimitz class carrier and teleport it back in time from 1980 to the day before Pearl Harbour was attacked!

Awesome movie

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Can we avert Pearl Harbour? I hope not. No alternative story-lines for me, thank you.

Torplexed · 10-03-06, 09:25 PM

Yah! Send in Kirk Douglas to blast the Japs. Leave Martin Sheen behind in 1941 while yer at it.

Not to completely throw a wet blanket on JU_88's idea maybe it might be possible to set up a situation such as this in the scenario editor. Depends on how many Japanese ships the developers give us. Given the Japanese love for cruiser-based floatplanes an approach should be difficult.

However, in reality the first US sub (Gudgeon) didn't depart Pearl Harbour for a war patrol until December 11th. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the historical benchmark the developers use.

10-03-06, 05:14 AM	#1
DanCanovas Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 778 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	no there is no chance of averting pearl habour. __________________

10-03-06, 05:26 AM	#2
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Its a dynamic campaign, this would have no repercusions on the story, (so yes- no alternate story line) But we can start patrolling before pearl harobor takes place, pearl was attacked by carrier launched planes, SO in theory so long as the carriers are physically where they should be - (and not some kind of invisible entity) we can attack them, but i doubt this will have an effect on ta scripted pearl harbour attack. I should have been more clear, I ment prevent the attack in the campaign so that physically less planes can take part in the attack, the story would be uneffected of course. Much like the way you can sink the task force that sinks the Bismark in SH3, if youre in the right place at the right time. but the Bismark is still destroyed regardless in the storyline. Still, im sure we will be able to attack the taskforce and sink some CVs, though it probably wount effect pearl, this would be too much work for the devs. Last edited by JU_88; 10-03-06 at 05:36 AM.

10-03-06, 06:08 AM	#3
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	in Theory, they didnt know where the Cariers where going and where they would strike on. They noticed it after the first bomb striked an Ship of Pearl harbour. So no...I think the Campaign will start about a couple of hours before the IJN planes will strike. so you cant do nothing against it. the devs probally wont allow you to spot the cariers at all. its too late __________________

10-03-06, 07:14 AM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Given the speed of the Japanese task force if you start at Pearl Harbour you don't have a prayer of catching up with them before they begin their departure from the area. The Japanese launch point was 230 miles north of Oahu. The average ships speed in the task force was 30 knots, a mathematical impossibility to catch up with. Most US subs in the area probably would have had more to fear from trigger-happy friendly forces that day even if they had been able to pursue the Japanese. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

10-03-06, 09:25 PM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Yah! Send in Kirk Douglas to blast the Japs. Leave Martin Sheen behind in 1941 while yer at it. Not to completely throw a wet blanket on JU_88's idea maybe it might be possible to set up a situation such as this in the scenario editor. Depends on how many Japanese ships the developers give us. Given the Japanese love for cruiser-based floatplanes an approach should be difficult. However, in reality the first US sub (Gudgeon) didn't depart Pearl Harbour for a war patrol until December 11th. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the historical benchmark the developers use. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

10-03-06, 07:45 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	No...no...no...everyone knows that the only way to even come close to preventing Pearl Harbour is to take a Nimitz class carrier and teleport it back in time from 1980 to the day before Pearl Harbour was attacked! On a more serious note, I think the best way to represent Pearl would be to spawn the planes in, rather than spawn in the entire Jap fleet, as Torplexed pointed out, they were hauling ass, and you've have to know exactly where to find them to stand a chance...and with that knowledge, and the ability to change time...it'd be like being Kirk Douglas I've read people on SHIII escorting the Bismarck all the way back to Germany whilst receiving reports that the Bismarck had been sunk and requires the crew rescuing. It'd be that kind of scenario.