Single merchants VS. Convoys

HunterICX · 09-23-06, 08:34 AM

The important things to know are the ships weak spots.

also the damage model works with floodings
so an ship can take hours before she decides to go down.

but when you hit an ship on the weak spot it will sink a lot faster.

here's an page with the Weak spots of an ship.
http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...hip_Weak_Spots

Good luck

Biggles · 09-23-06, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

also the damage model works with floodings
so an ship can take hours before she decides to go down.

but when you hit an ship on the weak spot it will sink a lot faster

Is there any chance to change that in GW? I don't have the mod yet, but I really want to have it, allthough I think that this very detail will make me not to download it. I don't want to hang around for hours just for one ship!!!!!And I don't want one merchant to swallow all my eels either!

Tijn · 09-23-06, 11:56 AM

@Biggles

That's what i was worried about to. But as you can read in my post i still can sink a lot of ships with one or two torps. You don't have to wait for hours every time. It happins to me once in a while. The funny thing is though that this usually happens with lone merchants. I guess you just have to practice to hit the sweat spot. For me it's more fun while i was getting bored of getting 80K+ every single patrol. This is more rewarding and challinging.

grtz Tijn

Biggles · 09-23-06, 12:01 PM

Hmmm...yes, perhaps........but still.....there is nothing more annoying then when you have to spend a lot of time for something that usually takes a coupple of minutes. I think I'd LOVE the GW, but this fact I think is still disturbing

bigboywooly · 09-23-06, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Hmmm...yes, perhaps........but still.....there is nothing more annoying then when you have to spend a lot of time for something that usually takes a coupple of minutes. I think I'd LOVE the GW, but this fact I think is still disturbing

Its a question of balance
Ships didnt all go down in 2\3 minutes
Some hung around for hours\days
Some ships reported as sunk by a uboat were indeed towed back in for repair as the captain didnt watch the ship actually go down but reported a kill on the strength of the torpedo hits

Biggles · 09-23-06, 12:30 PM

Yes, but still, I want to see SHIII as a game, not a 100000% realism more than needed. Yes, I do play at 0% realism 'cause I love the game as a FUN game, and I still think it can give me a challenge sometimes, so I really think that the timeline for a sinking ship should be scaled to a playable factor rather than a real one.

kylania · 09-23-06, 12:51 PM

If you wanted to you could use the Kids Mode GW mod that was realeasd the other day. That'll make things blow up and sink much quicker, but still keep most of the feel of GW.

Or just do what real captains did. If you say it'll sink, it'll sink. Just mark it down as a win and move on.

CruiseTorpedo · 09-23-06, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Yes, but still, I want to see SHIII as a game, not a 100000% realism more than needed. Yes, I do play at 0% realism 'cause I love the game as a FUN game, and I still think it can give me a challenge sometimes, so I really think that the timeline for a sinking ship should be scaled to a playable factor rather than a real one.

Not sure why you would want the grey wolves mod if that's what your after. The entire purpose the the mod pack was to increase realism! Least that's what I thought?

CWorth · 09-23-06, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Yes, but still, I want to see SHIII as a game, not a 100000% realism more than needed. Yes, I do play at 0% realism 'cause I love the game as a FUN game, and I still think it can give me a challenge sometimes, so I really think that the timeline for a sinking ship should be scaled to a playable factor rather than a real one.

Then Grey Wolves is not the mod for you.

The big mods are centered around realism and immersion.So if you want ships that blow up nice and perty like and sink in 1 minute or instantly then you should not use GW or NYGM.So I suggest you stick to playing the stock SH3 "game" and not use the NYGM or GW "simulations".

Steeltrap · 09-25-06, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggles

Hmmm...yes, perhaps........but still.....there is nothing more annoying then when you have to spend a lot of time for something that usually takes a coupple of minutes. I think I'd LOVE the GW, but this fact I think is still disturbing

Its a question of balance
Ships didnt all go down in 2\3 minutes
Some hung around for hours\days
Some ships reported as sunk by a uboat were indeed towed back in for repair as the captain didnt watch the ship actually go down but reported a kill on the strength of the torpedo hits

True, all these happened in some instances.

The overwhelming majority, however, would sink inside 20 minutes from 1 - 2 torp hits. Most merchants had single skin hulls and weak transverse bulkheads, meaning their ability to resist torp damage wasn't great. The most regularly durable ships were tankers due to the nature of their cargo (oil floats on water, so a hole in a tank might not flood beyond a certain level as the oil 'kept the water out' much the same way an air bubble does) and their compartmentalisation. Even so, a hit in the egine spaces aft would usually do for a tanker as well.

If you regularly need to expend 2 - 3 torps on a 5,000t merchant then the mod has gone too far and it's NOT realistic.

joea · 09-26-06, 03:15 AM

I fail to see the difference in the original post between a ship in convoy and one sailing independently? IF they are the same type of ship, or roughly the same size they should take the same number of trops. The only thing is a lot of coastal traffic would have been small merchants that couldd even be sunk by the DG.

09-23-06, 08:34 AM	#1
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	The important things to know are the ships weak spots. also the damage model works with floodings so an ship can take hours before she decides to go down. but when you hit an ship on the weak spot it will sink a lot faster. here's an page with the Weak spots of an ship. http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...hip_Weak_Spots Good luck __________________

09-23-06, 12:01 PM	#4
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hmmm...yes, perhaps........but still.....there is nothing more annoying then when you have to spend a lot of time for something that usually takes a coupple of minutes. I think I'd LOVE the GW, but this fact I think is still disturbing __________________

09-23-06, 12:30 PM	#6
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yes, but still, I want to see SHIII as a game, not a 100000% realism more than needed. Yes, I do play at 0% realism 'cause I love the game as a FUN game, and I still think it can give me a challenge sometimes, so I really think that the timeline for a sinking ship should be scaled to a playable factor rather than a real one. __________________

09-23-06, 12:51 PM	#7
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	If you wanted to you could use the Kids Mode GW mod that was realeasd the other day. That'll make things blow up and sink much quicker, but still keep most of the feel of GW. Or just do what real captains did. If you say it'll sink, it'll sink. Just mark it down as a win and move on. __________________

09-23-06, 11:56 AM	#3
Tijn Loader Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nijmegen Posts: 83 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	@Biggles That's what i was worried about to. But as you can read in my post i still can sink a lot of ships with one or two torps. You don't have to wait for hours every time. It happins to me once in a while. The funny thing is though that this usually happens with lone merchants. I guess you just have to practice to hit the sweat spot. For me it's more fun while i was getting bored of getting 80K+ every single patrol. This is more rewarding and challinging. grtz Tijn

09-26-06, 03:15 AM	#11
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I fail to see the difference in the original post between a ship in convoy and one sailing independently? IF they are the same type of ship, or roughly the same size they should take the same number of trops. The only thing is a lot of coastal traffic would have been small merchants that couldd even be sunk by the DG.