Why no British Subs? Come on Ubisoft!

[Capt. D]

Wonderful though the SH series of games are....

Am I the only one who gets a bit miffed that there has so far been no British submarine element to the SH III and SH IV. I know that I would say this being British but not only that but the variety would then be fuller and more varied (brit submarines carried more tubes, better torps etc). Mediterranean and Indian Ocean theatres, Atlantic etc.

Is it correct to say that enemy submarines seem to of been omitted (so far from the SH series)?

There were some real confontations between enemy subs in WWII. HMS Trenchant etc.

This goes back to the argument/discussion is this (SHIV) going to be a Pacific Theater sim or not. SHI was the PTO and had Jap subs, though one was not in control of them - though if we are looking at the sim as the Allied side one would reason you would not be in control of a Jap sub but would not mind going against one - as US boats did do - if not on a regular basis.

Then there is SHII and III. I remember in SHII going against a British boat but again not having control of it as both these sims were the Axis side - and again would reason you would not be in control of a British sub.

I fully understand those who wish to control other countries subs. I am just of the opinion that if it is an Allied sim in the Pacific and US boats played the major role that those are the boats that should be in it - as there is already much discussion on which US boats should be included vs size of programing and what devs can / can not do adding the control over a British sub would just add to the concern.

I have read books on British subs in WWII and they performed well and I think it would be great to be commanding one in the Med or North Atlantic going against supple lines to Rommel in Africa or the Germany Navy holed up in the North Atlantic. Also the thought of a S or T class going against a VII class would be very interesting. Maybe this could be developed as a new add on to the SHIII sim!

As far has having more tubes or better torps - from what I read the British had issues with their torps at times also and the T class had 10 tubes, however the US boats (Tambor on up) also had 10 but theirs were within the preasure hull, while the British T's had 6 internal and 4 external ( 2 in the bow and 2 amidships) so those were not avaliable for reload once used. Though some also had 11 tubes, again some were external and not avaliable for reload. A great site on British subs in WWII is:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/ww2sm2.html

Some good pictures and information!

Happy Hunting

[Sailor Steve]

I agree that Allied subs would be nice, but with the way SHIII/IV is made, you will need: 3D interiors/exteriors for each boat-in SHI all they would have needed would be different static screens; British/Dutch (Japanese?) voices-you can't have a yankee inflection for the crews of those boats.

I think we would be looking at a dely of several years, not to mention the costs involved to hire the different voice actors.

[Kruger]

Originally Posted by Capt. D

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/ww2sm2.html

In the second picture on this page....do I see also a type VIIB next to the british ones ? I know that the british captured a U-Boat and made it operational in the Royal Navy at some point. Is this it ?

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/history.html

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Kruger

In the second picture on this page....do I see also a type VIIB next to the british ones ? I know that the british captured a U-Boat and made it operational in the Royal Navy at some point. Is this it ?

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/history.html

The sub is indeed a a British VIIC, HMS Graph formally U-570
She was attacked and crippled by depth chages form a Lockheed Hudson, After the brits captuired her, she was repaired and renamed as HMS Graph, highlights of here british career include a spread shot at U-333 but missed, and attempted to attck admaral hipper by he was going to fast.....
Finally she ran aground whilst in tow and was scrapped.

[JU_88]

I never really expected playable british subs in SH IV or even IJN for that matter, still a computer controlled T-class would be nice if it made an appearence. I guess these leads back to weather Subs get any AI or not to make it worth while....