What U S boats would you like to see added to SHIV

[NEON DEON]

I would like to see all the boats that started the war be modeled in SHIV.

[bookworm_020]

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I would like to see the S class as it did play a large role at the begining of the war, plus it would make a great training boat.

I could live without the V class, even though I would like to get my hands on them, just for intrest sake.

I don't expect the Dev team to have the time and resources to have everything we want into the game. It would be nice, but we have to be realistic.

If they left the door open for modders to come in and add units that would be missing, that would add great appeal to the game, both in prestige and economics, as it would attract others to the game who might not come.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do put in, and in what the modders can produce. If the modders can do anything like what they did for SHIII for SHIV, then were going to have a good game turned into a great one.

[Capt. D]

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I would like to see the S class as it did play a large role at the begining of the war, plus it would make a great training boat.

There were some P class boats that had success. The Plunger - commissioned in 1937 sank 12 ships and was not decommissioned until 11/45!

The Ps were the first subs with air conditioning and the first class to introduce diesel-electric drive. With that sysetm, the main diesels did not directly drive the propeller shafts for surface propulsion, but drove generators which in turn drove elecric motors that were also used for underwater propulsion. This type of system has powered all conventionally powered US subs built since then. Ps served with distinction throughout WWII. They served in the front-line from Pearl until being gradually withdrawn from early 44 on. Four of the 10 were lost due to enemy action. Nearly all of the surviving boats conducted at least 8 war patrols with the Permit conducting 14!
We need to leave the Ps in. They had only 6 tubes (4 F and 2 A) however five had two external tubes added at the bow. Just another opportunity to take a boat out with some draw backs, and make them work.

Most definately the S class needs to be there too. S-class the P class, Salmon/Sargo class, Tambor class, and finally the Gato/Balao/Tench class need all to be represented. For graphic purposes the S-class, Ps, and Salmon had the most differences. The Tambor and Gato did not have that much difference. The Gatos were heavier by 350 tons and only 4 feet longer. Most of the additional weight being taken up by improved diesels and batteries. The remainder of the changes had to do with habitablility (increased fresh water bunkerage, etc. )
The Balaos were identical (to the Gatos) except that they were slightly redesigned internally to facilitate prefabrication and their pressure hulls were constructed of a higher tensile strength steel allowing dives of an additional 100 ft to max at 400. The Tenches varied somewhat in internal layout, otherwise being identical to the previous boats (Gato/Balao).
Of course as each boat was commissioned it carried the advances that came as the war progressed. Some had their fairweather and bridge structures cut down already - which was part of the refit procedures on the older classes - to just mention one. The devs should not have to change much if anything, in the Gatos thru Tench classes, and therefore should not have to do much more graphic work for classes than was done in SHIII.

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[NEON DEON]

Capt D. The P class has already been listed as being included in the game. So I do not think you have to worry about them.

The poll was on the boats that were in the US Fleet on December 7, 1941 but, so far, will be left out of SHIV.

[MadMike]

Must... have... S-boat!




Yours, Mike

[Hylander_1314]

If the Devs go with original line-up that was in Silent Hunter, I wouldn't complain.

At least I won't have to mess with DOSBox anymore! And can have the modern day eyecandy.

Amazing though, what they were able to do with that old tech. And to have the tutorials with "Bud" recalling his experiences in the Subfleet during WWII.

[Sailor Steve]

Since the question was which ones we'd LIKE to see, I voted for all. In reality, I think the only one that's truly important would be the Philippines 'S' boats.

[The Noob]

Well, i would like all. But thats impossible, so i'd say: TYPE S!

It's the type 2 of the Pacific. C'mon devs, we need this one!

[oche]

As Hylander said, the SH1 boat line up would be perfect...

[WilhelmSchulz.]

[quote=Capt. D]

Of course as each boat was commissioned it carried the advances that came as the war progressed. Some had their fairweather and bridge structures cut down already - which was part of the refit procedures on the older classes - to just mention one. The devs should not have to change much if anything, in the Gatos thru Tench classes, and therefore should not have to do much more graphic work for classes than was done in SHIII.

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Well they have the VIIC, VIIC/41, and VIIC/42 in SHIII so it would be the same thing. The only diffrences between then is performance(same as Gato/Balo/Trench).

[Capt. D]

Capt D. The P class has already been listed as being included in the game. So I do not think you have to worry about them.

I realize that - was just commenting on statement from Book Worm 020 regarding P's and not really having any impact:

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I think Hylander 1314 makes a very good point:

If the Devs go with original line-up that was in Silent Hunter, I wouldn't complain.

It does seem that the devs will be using most if not all the classes within SH.

Happy Hunting

[NEON DEON]

Just over 60 % of the US sub force on December 7, 1941 will not be included in SH IV.

If you included the S class, the percentage would drop to 27%.

But, that would leave out over a quarter of the starting sub force.

[bookworm_020]

I wish to apologise for my first suggestion that th P class shouldn't be in the game, I mixed them up with the early R and O class subs, which were mostly used for training.

The P class did taken an active roll in the war and do deserve consideration for inclusion to SHIV.

Sorry for any upset feelings.

[Jimbuna]

I would like to see every class included...after all, there were only a handful of major classes ever built (but some obviously in large numbers)

[Capt. D]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

I wish to apologise for my first suggestion that th P class shouldn't be in the game, I mixed them up with the early R and O class subs, which were mostly used for training.

The P class did taken an active roll in the war and do deserve consideration for inclusion to SHIV.

Sorry for any upset feelings.

Hey no big deal!! Everyone has to be able to share their opinions. That's what makes a forum like this so good!:p

I think the majority want the S-Class to be included along with the boats that did have impact in the war effort. The Nautilus 14 patrols/missions and Narwhal 15 patrols/missions - though two of the bigger boats - most of which did not do much - did have an impact as transports for special missions etc. Narwhal sank 5 ships during 6 war patrols and Nautilus sank 5 in as many war patrols. Both were retired in early 1945. Along with Argonaut (lost on patrol in '42) the Nautilus and Narwhal were the only boats "outside" the fleet boat realm that saw action and had some impact - to include of course the old S-Boats at the begining of the war.

P class (to just touch base with them again) were entirely welded from the third boat in the class. With the sole exception of the two small Ms, all US subs up to the Tang class of 1951 evolved from the Ps.

Bottom line - everyone has their wish list of boats to include. If we look at SHI and include all boats that that sim had we would about cover all the main classes S-Boats and P's to Tench. I can not remember if SHI had the Nautilus and Narwhal included. SHI did not have much in the way of special missions - e.g. landing commandos or other support groups, supply missions, extracting VIP groups etc. - so they may not have been in there.

Let's hope for SHI classes and if we get more - so much the better!

Happy Hunting