Submarines in WWII

Eichenlaub · 09-12-06, 06:23 AM

I'm sure an IJN sub also sank the American battleship Indianapolis - why is it not listed in the statistics here?

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Rose · 09-12-06, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichenlaub

I'm sure an IJN sub also sank the American battleship Indianapolis - why is it not listed in the statistics here?

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Yep, the Indianapolis was sunk by an IJN sub... he must've forgotten to put it up.

Hylander_1314 · 09-12-06, 08:43 AM

Yes, but the Indianapolis was a Cruiser, and if you get a chance to read the book about the incident, there were foul ups on everyones part. Why she went down so quickly was the fault of not stopping or even reversing engines, which meant that the majority of the men went into the water instead of the lifeboats.

After all was said and done, Cmdr McVay sufferred terribly from his own persecution, let alone the Courtmartial that followed. A point that he was the only ship Capt. to be courtmartialed for losing his ship in WWII in the U.S. Navy. The reason given, was the loss of life while the men were in the water, and a need to blame someone for it happenning. Not that their mission to deliver the A-bomb was very secret, and the fact that they weren't reported overdue in a timely manner since they were on their way to the Phillipines afterwards, and that those waters were inhabited by very large Tigersharks, which are known man-eaters.

Eichenlaub · 09-12-06, 10:31 AM

Hylander 1314:

You are right! I've always heard the USS Indianapolis being reported as a battleship, but instead it is a heavy cruiser, CA-35 to be exact! Thank you for that. I see Danelov included two CA's in the list of American victims, so I guess this vessel was indeed incorporated already.

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Danelov · 09-12-06, 06:37 PM

Yes, maybe the information is not clear. About the USN cruisers sunken by IJN submarines we have

-CL-52 Juneau sunk the 13 November 1942 by I-26 (in this ship were loss the five brothers Sullivans ; after this terrible fate , orders were issues to not assign brothers to the same ship.The Fletcher DD-537 "The Sullivans" was named to honor their memory )

-CA-35 Indianapolis sunk the 30 July 1945 by I-58(LtC Mochitsura Hashimoto had wrong identified the cruisers as a Battleship of New Mexico Class).Indianapolis was in his return travel after had just carried component of an atomic bomb to Tinian and was steaming unerscorted from Guam to Okinawa.

-CL-96 Reno was heavy damaged the 03-11-44 by I-41 ,but the ship survived the attack

-CA-27 Chester was heavy damaged the 20 October 1942 by I-176, but the ship also survived and after nearly a year of reparation works return to service.

Yes, actually only Indianapolis was a CA , Juneau was a CL .Post corrected.

Regards

Danelov · 09-12-06, 07:07 PM

Quote: Wow. The Dutch Navy also had an extremely high loss %.

Well ,actually of the 14 submarines ,only three were sunken by the IJN

K VII the 18-02-42 by IJN planes
K XVI the 25-12-41 by the IJN submarine I-66
O-20 the 20-12-41 by the IJN destroyer Uranami

Of this 14 losses, several were scuttled in Soerabaja to avoid the capture by the invading japanese troops,O.22 was lost in the North Sea,O.11 and O.12 were captured by the Germans in May 1940 after the invasion.O.25 was scuttled but was salved by the Germans and commisioned as UD.3 in 1942.Two other U-Boats of O.21 class captured by the Germans were commisioned in 1941 as UD.4 and UD.5.This Dutch serie of submarines were the first units equipped with Schnorkel, called "snort system" by the Dutch Navy.
After a serie of test and not happy with the results with the "snort system" ,the BdU orders the removal of the snorts of U-D3, U-D4 and U-D5!!!.

Curious the turn of the destiny...

bookworm_020 · 09-12-06, 07:52 PM

The Australian Navy had no subs in WWII, But Australians did serve in RN Subs, Including the X type mini subs used againts the Germans. It had two subs in WWI, AE1 Lost in the pacific, and the AE2, which was the first sub to get throught the dardenells , and sunk a week later.

09-12-06, 06:23 AM	#1
Eichenlaub Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nijmegen Posts: 132 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm sure an IJN sub also sank the American battleship Indianapolis - why is it not listed in the statistics here? Kind regards, Eichenlaub __________________ "Despite living in a country where soft-drugs, prostitution, gay-marriage and euthanasia are all legal, I've never felt any inclination towards any of them." When SHIV hits the scene, we should not fear the double D Geisha escort...we should welcome her...

09-12-06, 08:43 AM	#3
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Yes, but the Indianapolis was a Cruiser, and if you get a chance to read the book about the incident, there were foul ups on everyones part. Why she went down so quickly was the fault of not stopping or even reversing engines, which meant that the majority of the men went into the water instead of the lifeboats. After all was said and done, Cmdr McVay sufferred terribly from his own persecution, let alone the Courtmartial that followed. A point that he was the only ship Capt. to be courtmartialed for losing his ship in WWII in the U.S. Navy. The reason given, was the loss of life while the men were in the water, and a need to blame someone for it happenning. Not that their mission to deliver the A-bomb was very secret, and the fact that they weren't reported overdue in a timely manner since they were on their way to the Phillipines afterwards, and that those waters were inhabited by very large Tigersharks, which are known man-eaters. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

09-12-06, 10:31 AM	#4
Eichenlaub Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nijmegen Posts: 132 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hylander 1314: You are right! I've always heard the USS Indianapolis being reported as a battleship, but instead it is a heavy cruiser, CA-35 to be exact! Thank you for that. I see Danelov included two CA's in the list of American victims, so I guess this vessel was indeed incorporated already. Kind regards, Eichenlaub __________________ "Despite living in a country where soft-drugs, prostitution, gay-marriage and euthanasia are all legal, I've never felt any inclination towards any of them." When SHIV hits the scene, we should not fear the double D Geisha escort...we should welcome her...

09-12-06, 06:37 PM	#5
Danelov Gunner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 94 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	US Cruisers sunk by IJN Submarines Yes, maybe the information is not clear. About the USN cruisers sunken by IJN submarines we have -CL-52 Juneau sunk the 13 November 1942 by I-26 (in this ship were loss the five brothers Sullivans ; after this terrible fate , orders were issues to not assign brothers to the same ship.The Fletcher DD-537 "The Sullivans" was named to honor their memory ) -CA-35 Indianapolis sunk the 30 July 1945 by I-58(LtC Mochitsura Hashimoto had wrong identified the cruisers as a Battleship of New Mexico Class).Indianapolis was in his return travel after had just carried component of an atomic bomb to Tinian and was steaming unerscorted from Guam to Okinawa. -CL-96 Reno was heavy damaged the 03-11-44 by I-41 ,but the ship survived the attack -CA-27 Chester was heavy damaged the 20 October 1942 by I-176, but the ship also survived and after nearly a year of reparation works return to service. Yes, actually only Indianapolis was a CA , Juneau was a CL .Post corrected. Regards Last edited by Danelov; 09-12-06 at 06:43 PM.

09-12-06, 07:07 PM	#6
Danelov Gunner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 94 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Dutch submarines Quote: Wow. The Dutch Navy also had an extremely high loss %. Well ,actually of the 14 submarines ,only three were sunken by the IJN K VII the 18-02-42 by IJN planes K XVI the 25-12-41 by the IJN submarine I-66 O-20 the 20-12-41 by the IJN destroyer Uranami Of this 14 losses, several were scuttled in Soerabaja to avoid the capture by the invading japanese troops,O.22 was lost in the North Sea,O.11 and O.12 were captured by the Germans in May 1940 after the invasion.O.25 was scuttled but was salved by the Germans and commisioned as UD.3 in 1942.Two other U-Boats of O.21 class captured by the Germans were commisioned in 1941 as UD.4 and UD.5.This Dutch serie of submarines were the first units equipped with Schnorkel, called "snort system" by the Dutch Navy. After a serie of test and not happy with the results with the "snort system" ,the BdU orders the removal of the snorts of U-D3, U-D4 and U-D5!!!. Curious the turn of the destiny...

09-12-06, 07:52 PM	#7
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The Australian Navy had no subs in WWII, But Australians did serve in RN Subs, Including the X type mini subs used againts the Germans. It had two subs in WWI, AE1 Lost in the pacific, and the AE2, which was the first sub to get throught the dardenells , and sunk a week later. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"