Commander of USS Cole fails to make Captain

bradclark1 · 08-22-06, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

THe specifics are that a harmless looking boat laden full of hidden explosive ran up and committed suicide. No way to guard against that.

Today they take precautions - like at PSNS, they have nets in front of the peer now that prevents boats from getting close.

-S

All craft are supposed to stay a certain distance from U.S. warships. Yes. Even in port. That why armed guards are used. Thats what happens when you don't follow procedure.
The buck stops at the commanders desk.

Konovalov · 08-23-06, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

THe specifics are that a harmless looking boat laden full of hidden explosive ran up and committed suicide. No way to guard against that.

Today they take precautions - like at PSNS, they have nets in front of the peer now that prevents boats from getting close.

-S

All craft are supposed to stay a certain distance from U.S. warships. Yes. Even in port. That why armed guards are used. Thats what happens when you don't follow procedure.
The buck stops at the commanders desk.

I am of the exact same opinion as Bradclark on this.

SUBMAN1 · 08-23-06, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

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THe specifics are that a harmless looking boat laden full of hidden explosive ran up and committed suicide. No way to guard against that.

Today they take precautions - like at PSNS, they have nets in front of the peer now that prevents boats from getting close.

-S

All craft are supposed to stay a certain distance from U.S. warships. Yes. Even in port. That why armed guards are used. Thats what happens when you don't follow procedure.
The buck stops at the commanders desk.

I am of the exact same opinion as Bradclark on this.

I disagree with this one since that this may be the case, but an attacking craft like the one used was impossible to stop with simple armed guards. Unlike Hollywood, people still live for up to 20 seconds with their heart ripped out. THe Red Baron was shot and still managed to land his plane, and even have a conversation with the soldiers that ran up after, even though his heart was disintegrated. This is a suicide attack - it cannot be stopped with a man holding an M-16. Tell that to the IED victims in Iraq - same situation. You cannot defend against it properly. This is to say every one of these IED victims is their fault!

-S

bradclark1 · 08-23-06, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I disagree with this one since that this may be the case, but an attacking craft like the one used was impossible to stop with simple armed guards. Unlike Hollywood, people still live for up to 20 seconds with their heart ripped out. THe Red Baron was shot and still managed to land his plane, and even have a conversation with the soldiers that ran up after, even though his heart was disintegrated. This is a suicide attack - it cannot be stopped with a man holding an M-16. Tell that to the IED victims in Iraq - same situation. You cannot defend against it properly. This is to say every one of these IED victims is their fault!

-S

Since the guard/s didn't shoot we'll never know will we?

SUBMAN1 · 08-23-06, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I disagree with this one since that this may be the case, but an attacking craft like the one used was impossible to stop with simple armed guards. Unlike Hollywood, people still live for up to 20 seconds with their heart ripped out. THe Red Baron was shot and still managed to land his plane, and even have a conversation with the soldiers that ran up after, even though his heart was disintegrated. This is a suicide attack - it cannot be stopped with a man holding an M-16. Tell that to the IED victims in Iraq - same situation. You cannot defend against it properly. This is to say every one of these IED victims is their fault!

-S

Since the guard/s didn't shoot we'll never know will we?

THey probably didn't shoot to avoid an international incident too. Change the date to today, and I can gurantee they would shoot! No one expected what happened to the Cole, so no one was prepared for it.

-S

bradclark1 · 08-23-06, 07:14 PM

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THey probably didn't shoot to avoid an international incident too. Change the date to today, and I can gurantee they would shoot! No one expected what happened to the Cole, so no one was prepared for it.

-S

No they weren't prepared. Thats why the Commander got took off the Captains list.
I'll tell you why they didn't shoot. One of the bombers was someone who had made some delivery to the ship earlier in the day. Thats why the guard let the boat get closer. When he finally figured out something was wrong it was too late.
That's why you have Standard Operating Procedures and stick to them.

SUBMAN1 · 08-23-06, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

THey probably didn't shoot to avoid an international incident too. Change the date to today, and I can gurantee they would shoot! No one expected what happened to the Cole, so no one was prepared for it.

-S

No they weren't prepared. Thats why the Commander got took off the Captains list.
I'll tell you why they didn't shoot. One of the bombers was someone who had made some delivery to the ship earlier in the day. Thats why the guard let the boat get closer. When he finally figured out something was wrong it was too late.
That's why you have Standard Operating Procedures and stick to them.