The Death Penalty...Is it right?

Originally Posted by Dowly

If man kills another man, IMO he should be punished with death. "Thou shall not Kill", tell that to the murderers. If someone slowly and painfully kills someone, why the murderers death should be humane?

Just my 2 cents.

That opinion makes State government look no better than the murderers IMO. Only difference is that the State and people involved in the execution of the murderer don't have to pay the same price the murderer did.

I think life behind bars is punishment enough. Let God make the judgements on the guilty. There is no need to execute anyone. People claim it makes room in the prison system. That's BS. In the US a person gets executed like once in a blue moon. Why not release the petty criminals and have them show up to a parole officer once a week. This country is cracking down more and more on small crimes and that is what is flooding the prison system. I read in a news article that a guy in Cali has to spend the rest of his life behind bars with no chance of parole for stealing a few kids movies from a store. He had been found guilty for 2 earlier small petty crimes prior to his latest (3) crime. Cali has the new 3 strikes and your out rule on ALL crime. All 3 of this man's crimes were extremely petty but in Cali that does not matter and he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. Certainly there are worse offenders out there that could be taking his place.

[kiwi_2005]

A few crims in NZ should be put to death without a doubt, their has been some gruesome crimes happening over the past yrs where the opposition has been pushing for the Death penalty yet it would never happen here. I remeber one where a guy walked into a pizza shop and shot dead the teller then went to two other shops and shot them dead. First he asked them to hand over the money in the till then told them to knell down and then shot them in the back of the head? He got his money why shoot them??? He's wearing a mask so they can't identify him so what is the point of shooting them??? The pizza guy was only 16yrs old just begining his life and probably his first job. Shot dead over $200.

When the police arrested him they should of put a bullet in the back of his head.

So what should be done with this fella?
Only two minor arrests. He is a butcher both literally and figuratively. He took the life of a human being, then carved her up nice and neat.

MINEOLA, New York — A man was jailed without bail Saturday, one day after he was arrested on charges he dismembered his neighbor and drove around with her severed head in the trunk of his car.

Evan Marshall, 31, of Glen Cove, New York, was arraigned on second-degree murder in the brutal slaying of Denice Fox at her home inside an exclusive gated community in Glen Cove. Police said Marshall kept the victim's body parts inside several trash bins in the basement of his home — except for the head, which was in his 1990 Toyota.
The 57-year-old Fox was a retired school teacher, and authorities offered no motive for Thursday's gruesome slaying. Marshall had no violent criminal history, with arrests only for petit larceny and driving while intoxicated, authorities said.
He was arrested Friday after driving his car back to his home, where police were waiting. Two large carving knives were recovered at the crime scene, police said.

On Thursday, Fox's daughter called Glen Cove police after discovering her mother was missing and finding blood in the vestibule of her mother's home. Police canvassing the neighborhood were allowed into the home where Marshall lived with his mother, and soon made their grisly discovery. Marshall also was suspected of using his car to run down a woman walking on a sidewalk about a 1 mile away from the Fox home on Thursday morning. The unidentified woman was hospitalized, but her injuries were not life-threatening.

On another note, perhaps the death penalty would be more justly applied if it was administered no more than two years after the crime. No more sitting on death row for ten plus years.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by waste gate

So what should be done with this fella?
Only two minor arrests. He is a butcher both literally and figuratively. He took the life of a human being, then carved her up nice and neat.

On another note, perhaps the death penalty would be more justly applied if it was administered no more than two years after the crime. No more sitting on death row for ten plus years.

I agree. If you are going to have a death penalty it should be administered quickly. When the UK had the death penalty, the convicted person had one appeal to the Home Secretary, if that failed, after three clear Sundays the convict would hang. Basically between trial and execution would be no more than three weeks.

Nemo

[August]

I oppose the death penalty. Not because i have anything against giving killers a dose of their own medicine, heck if it were up to me i'd go back to public hangings and sell tickets, but rather because i don't want to see an innocent man or woman executed.

If it's prison for life (real life without parole, not the Euro "couple years and out" version) then at least if evidence comes to light that clears the person we're not pardoning a corpse. Once a person is executed the point becomes moot.

Originally Posted by August

...but rather because i don't want to see an innocent man or woman executed...Once a person is executed the point becomes moot.

And that is the one thing I do agree with. If someone is to be executed the evidence must be incontrivertible, and that's sometimes hard to establish.

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

A few crims in NZ should be put to death without a doubt, their has been some gruesome crimes happening over the past yrs where the opposition has been pushing for the Death penalty yet it would never happen here. I remeber one where a guy walked into a pizza shop and shot dead the teller then went to two other shops and shot them dead. First he asked them to hand over the money in the till then told them to knell down and then shot them in the back of the head? He got his money why shoot them??? He's wearing a mask so they can't identify him so what is the point of shooting them??? The pizza guy was only 16yrs old just begining his life and probably his first job. Shot dead over $200.

When the police arrested him they should of put a bullet in the back of his head.

It is a shame that there are bad people in this world that have no remorse for life. But shouldn't we, as civilized people, show some self control to our emotions? I feel sorry for the victims and their families, but killing off a convicted person is not the way of the Lord. Has the Lord come down and told us "Thou shall NOT kill - Unless its a convicted felon"? I just recall God stating the first part of that statement. It's a very cold and cruel punishment to strap a man into a chair and melt his brain so that it comes out his nose and mouth. That's about the same as putting someone in a microwave. It's just sick and disturbing!

So how do you feel about war? If your government orders you to go into combat, should you refuse on the grounds that God commands you not to kill, ever? That's what the Quakers believe, and they get special exemptions from combat duty, meaning that if drafted they only have to serve in non-combat roles.

Personally, I feel that if a person is guilty of certain crimes he has forfeited the basic civil rights that govern the rest of us. The main purpose of Captital Punishment to me is that using the state to do it lowers the possibility of vedettas.

[fredbass]

My opinion really isn't based on emotion, but rather on what is an appropriate punishment for such a crime.

If someone has committed the crime of murder, then that person should receive the appropriate penalty of death. An eye for an eye I say, regardless of whether the penalty deters those in the future who consider such crime.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So how do you feel about war? If your government orders you to go into combat, should you refuse on the grounds that God commands you not to kill, ever? That's what the Quakers believe, and they get special exemptions from combat duty, meaning that if drafted they only have to serve in non-combat roles.

Personally, I feel that if a person is guilty of certain crimes he has forfeited the basic civil rights that govern the rest of us. The main purpose of Captital Punishment to me is that using the state to do it lowers the possibility of vedettas.

Government is not right to go to war. War should not happen. War is the result of a weak nation that does not have the mental capacity to search for a peaceful resolution to a situation and decides to use muscle and brawn to do it's talking. Just the same way a bully in school would do.

War is the result of a weak nation that does not have the mental capacity to search for a peaceful resolution

There's that great intellegence.

Originally Posted by waste gate

There's that great intellegence.

I'm wrong to want to go about things in a peaceful manner? Are you serious?

[fredbass]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Government is not right to go to war. War should not happen. War is the result of a weak nation that does not have the mental capacity to search for a peaceful resolution to a situation and decides to use muscle and brawn to do it's talking. Just the same way a bully in school would do.

If it weren't for wars, America would probably still be under colonial rule.


Wait a second, what's this got to do with the Death Penalty? hmmm, Oh, I see, kill em all I say.

[August]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Government is not right to go to war. War should not happen. War is the result of a weak nation that does not have the mental capacity to search for a peaceful resolution to a situation and decides to use muscle and brawn to do it's talking. Just the same way a bully in school would do.

"War should not happen". That's a nice sentiment but completely unrealistic because it ignores the entire span of human history.

There are worse things than war, believe it or not. Standing by doing nothing while your neighbors are killed and enslaved for example. Sometimes war now is better than war later. Should France and Britian have refrained from declaring war against Germany in response to it's invasion of Poland? Maybe they could have escaped being attacked themselves, at least for awhile. But that would just have given Germany a few more years with which to prepare its war machine.

How to answer this? This is a tough corner that you all have put me in, and goes against my total belief in "Thou shall not kill" period. However, I see the point that you all are getting at with war. God knows it's gonna happen. That's because he knows we can't get along. That is why an American thinks he is greater than an Englishman, or why a whiteman thinks he is better than a blackman, etc etc. We are all different, and yes world politics is a lot like grade school politics. When one kid doesn't like the shirt another one is wearing and punches him in the nose, or when two girls fight one another for the conquest of trying to win the attention of 1 boy. War should not happen, period. We are all too selfish, greedy, and undeserving of God's love and good grace. No wonder why we are here! Life is a test of morales. If we can't even get this right we will be doomed by our own hands, not his.

BUT


This thread is not about war however. It's about the Death Penalty.