VJ Day - Page 2

08-16-06, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Just because a husband declares he's "Finally Divorced" 2 years after he signed the papers, doesn't mean that the divorce actually took place right then and there when he said it.

Legally, the divorce was final when the papers were signed.

The war ended both legally and officially on Sept. 2nd 1945. What Truman may have been referring to is the cease of guerilla tactics used by die-hard SS troopers in Europe, and Imperial Japanese Soldiers in the Far-East.

If viewed in that sense, then the war did end in 1946 as you say. But I'd like to see the text of Trumans' declaration in order to clarify the issue.

Otherwise the war ended in '45. :p

Yes, the war ended with the surrender. BUT, like a declaration, a surrender is not a treaty.

Oberon · 08-17-06, 04:48 AM

Well, IIRC Russia and Japan never signed a formal peace treaty after WW2 or anything like that, due to the desputed 'Northern territories' (Kurile Islands) so for them, I guess WW2 has never ended, it's just not so active at the moment.

Yahoshua · 08-17-06, 08:12 AM

So technically it is the longest running cold-war to date?

08-17-06, 11:16 AM

Okay, time to let you off the hook.

The Second World War officially ended on April 28, 1952. That's when the Treaty Of San Francisco went into effect. The treaty was actually signed on September 8, 1951, so that could be claimed as the official date.

And Oberon, you recall correctly: the Soviet Union was represented, but refused to sign, along with Czechoslovakia and Poland (who of course were controlled by the Soviets at that time).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco
See the bottom of the page for the treaty text and speeches by major players.

Here is another copy of the text, and the 1945 surrender document:
http://www.isop.ucla.edu/eas/documents/peace1951.htm

Oberon · 08-17-06, 01:07 PM

So technically Russia is still at war with Japan?

Godalmighty83 · 08-17-06, 02:22 PM

technicly yes.

the japan vs russia war has been raging for 65 years and is ww2's longest and probably least deadly battle.

joea · 08-17-06, 04:15 PM

That explains why a Japanese fisherman was shot the other day by a Russian patrol boat.

Godalmighty83 · 08-18-06, 07:36 AM

i say 'least deadly' but politcal relations in that area are really twitchy. yet compared to ww2's other battles its a different story.

08-17-06, 08:12 AM	#18
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So technically it is the longest running cold-war to date? __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

08-17-06, 02:22 PM	#21
Godalmighty83 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	technicly yes. the japan vs russia war has been raging for 65 years and is ww2's longest and probably least deadly battle. __________________ Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

08-18-06, 07:36 AM	#23
Godalmighty83 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i say 'least deadly' but politcal relations in that area are really twitchy. yet compared to ww2's other battles its a different story. __________________ Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

08-17-06, 04:48 AM	#17
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, IIRC Russia and Japan never signed a formal peace treaty after WW2 or anything like that, due to the desputed 'Northern territories' (Kurile Islands) so for them, I guess WW2 has never ended, it's just not so active at the moment.

08-17-06, 11:16 AM	#19
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Okay, time to let you off the hook. The Second World War officially ended on April 28, 1952. That's when the Treaty Of San Francisco went into effect. The treaty was actually signed on September 8, 1951, so that could be claimed as the official date. And Oberon, you recall correctly: the Soviet Union was represented, but refused to sign, along with Czechoslovakia and Poland (who of course were controlled by the Soviets at that time). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco See the bottom of the page for the treaty text and speeches by major players. Here is another copy of the text, and the 1945 surrender document: http://www.isop.ucla.edu/eas/documents/peace1951.htm

08-17-06, 01:07 PM	#20
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	So technically Russia is still at war with Japan?

08-17-06, 04:15 PM	#22
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	That explains why a Japanese fisherman was shot the other day by a Russian patrol boat.