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mapuc · 03-19-25, 08:54 AM

Are USA really on it's way out of NATO ?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...nho-rcna196503

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Otto Harkaman · 03-19-25, 09:15 AM

Skybird · 03-19-25, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Are USA really on it's way out of NATO ?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...nho-rcna196503

Markus

By now I have mentally fully adapted to what by now I see as irreversible fact: that the alliance between the US and Europe is no more and that America is a not even a friend and partner anymore. I see the US as a neutral at best - with rapdily declining and further cooling of relations,
and I see the real danger that Europe will be divided between Washington and Moscow, with America attacking with economic weapons and Russia attacking with military means. There is no trustworthiness of the US anymore.

With every week that Trump rages, I see the USA becoming more and more not kjust our opponent, but our enemy. It's not really a two-front war Europe is caught in, because the way Trump is positioning the US, Russia and the US are somehow one and the same, or rather: Trump is Putin's puppet, serving him as an unscrupulous accomplice.

Incidentally, the German Foreign Office has issued stricter travel warnings for the USA due to various incidents involving arrested tourists traveling to the USA from Germany. That is quite something.

Fully surprised I am not, that things were aiming at a break-up between the US and Europe was clear to me since longer time, since Obama'S first term. I am however surprised at the rapid speed at which things are detoriating. I did not expect the slide to accelerate this fast. Right now its almost a cascading effect. I think the development is irreversible.

Europe better quickly grows itself an awesome pair of big cojohnes, and fangs and claws. Else it can say farewell to the world stage within the next 10-15 years. Maybe even earlier...

mapuc · 03-19-25, 10:58 AM

During the 80's, can't remember which year(s) Danish public tv had a series called wargames.

In one of them, the relationship between Europe and USA had turn into a crisis.

Canada ask for assistance and France send soldiers and fighter jet to Canada.
USA have started to drill for oil in the water east of Greenland, despite Europes protest.

There were some more into this story/game.

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Aktungbby · 03-19-25, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Europe better quickly grows itself an awesome pair of big cojohnes. Else it can say farewell to the world stage within the next 10-15 years. Maybe even earlier...

...that's: 'cajones grandes mi amigo Alemano'!

; and your time line is precisely what the M.I.T.( as I've referenced in previous posts) study of "the end of civilization" predicts a 2040 finis.

August · 03-19-25, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

During the 80's, can't remember which year(s) Danish public tv had a series called wargames.

In one of them, the relationship between Europe and USA had turn into a crisis.

Canada ask for assistance and France send soldiers and fighter jet to Canada.
USA have started to drill for oil in the water east of Greenland, despite Europes protest.

There were some more into this story/game.

Markus

Did you win?

mapuc · 03-19-25, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Did you win?

These scenarios(Wargames) did not have any winners or losers.

I came to remember two things more.

During the episode, which around 50 minutes, they now and then returned to an Boing 747 from New York trying to land in Paris, but are denied to do so and through the program you follow this passenger planes effort to land.

The episode ends with the crash of this 747 and a group of French and some other Europeans fighter jet approaching this American oilrig.

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Catfish · 03-19-25, 12:13 PM

The only reason why Trump puts tariffs on Canada is to destroy its economy, with the idea to later add it to the USA more easily.
I just wonder why. Maybe Aleksandr Dugin can answer this.

Buddahaid · 03-19-25, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

The only reason why Trump puts tariffs on Canada is to destroy its economy, with the idea to later add it to the USA more easily.
I just wonder why. Maybe Aleksandr Dugin can answer this.

Not working out. Canada now has an agreement with Australia for an advanced surveillance system that was previously earmarked for the US.

EDIT: Well Trump got his wish. He's not Herbert Hoover, he's far worse.

Dargo · 03-19-25, 02:18 PM

A growing number of Canadians are interested in joining the European Union, despite rising patriotism. A recent Abacus Data poll indicates nearly half of Canadians are in favour of joining the EU. A significant driver is economic pressure from the U.S., particularly regarding tariffs and the ongoing trade dispute. The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) already boosts Canada-EU trade — valued at $157.3 billion in 2023, according to international.gc.ca — and joining the EU could further secure access to a stable single market of 27 nations.

Speaking at a joint press conference with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris on Monday, Prime Minister Mark Carney said that Canada is, "the most European of non-European countries."

Skybird · 03-19-25, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo

"the most European of non-European countries."

That caused some sparks in my grey matter.

But okay, why not, let them in. They are much farther away than Turkey or the Middle East or North African states bordering the Mediterranean - and nevertheless so very much closer.

I am sure the EU would change its statutes to allow Canada joining. And America's placeholder in Europe, the UK, is not in a position to spoil that match currently, thanks to Brexit.

Aktungbby · 03-19-25, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not working out. Canada now has an agreement with Australia for an advanced surveillance system that was previously earmarked for the US.

EDIT: Well Trump got his wish. He's not Herbert Hoover, he's far worse.

...yeah...like a Hoover vacuum!

Otto Harkaman · 03-20-25, 06:49 AM

Exocet25fr · 03-20-25, 07:11 AM

Welcome Canadians.........!

French parody about usa:24 years ago yet, today nothing has changed.....

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-25, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

These scenarios(Wargames) did not have any winners or losers.

I came to remember two things more.

During the episode, which around 50 minutes, they now and then returned to an Boing 747 from New York trying to land in Paris, but are denied to do so and through the program you follow this passenger planes effort to land.

The episode ends with the crash of this 747 and a group of French and some other Europeans fighter jet approaching this American oilrig.

Markus

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,546 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	During the 80's, can't remember which year(s) Danish public tv had a series called wargames. In one of them, the relationship between Europe and USA had turn into a crisis. Canada ask for assistance and France send soldiers and fighter jet to Canada. USA have started to drill for oil in the water east of Greenland, despite Europes protest. There were some more into this story/game. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

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