US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Basic forms:

1. Direct democracy.
2. Representative democracy. Variants:
   • Consensus democracy.
   • Deliberative democracy.
   • Demarchy.
   • Lottocracy.
   • Participatory democracy.

^ You forgot "Debilicity".

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

^ You forgot "Debilicity".

You suggesting that democracy across the pond?

[Skybird]

Not just them but practically all, everywhere, including ourselves. The Greeks called it:


KAKISTOCRACY.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Catfish

re the reasons Trump should stay in office ..



I even agree with some, just not the unnecessary bullying and grandstanding with what he tries to cover his insecurity and stupidity.
I certainly do not agree with Musk as an "outside editor" who is on drugs, has no experience, does not know what he's doing but glad to evade taxes just like the one who brought him there. But it's your inner-american ride, so enjoy.
I agree with "declaring cartels as terrorist organizations, which means that Military & National Intelligence assets can be used to better effect."
I doubt it was Trump's idea, this was long overdue. But he did it, so ok.

What I am absolutely not ok with is making Russia great again and trample on allies. Trump obviously never read anything from Brzezinski when it comes to international relations and planning. His entourage consists of yes-men that echo him just to remain in office, no real advisors with any backbone left.

World leaders call it bullying, when it's actually just assertiveness, and initiative. and they're upset because He's telling them what he's going to do rather than asking for their input before he does it.

You keep believing that, but he must be doing something right, he founded Tesla, Space-X, co-founded OpenAI, runs -X, not to mention a few other endeavors over his adult life. He's a hell of a lot more qualified to Audit the U.S. books than the head of the IRS.

Europe did nothing to prevent the invasion of Ukraine, and once it happened, rather than find a way to put a stop to it, they sent just enough "support" to perpetuate the fighting. (the U.S. is not blameless in this). Nobody picked up a phone and called Putin and engage him directly, or even threaten him with direct military action if he did not stop. It's not that Russia is strong that's got your panties in a bunch, but the fact that Trump has bypassed Europe in looking for a cessation of the fighting, and that has exposed just how weak the European position is. (if you piss Putin off too bad, he'll just turn off your lights)

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by MaDef

I'll give you a few.

1. Has brought in an outside auditor to go through the books, and is showing the American people just where their tax dollars are being wasted.

2.Illegal immigrants crossing the border has gone from a flood to a trickle (just by enforcing the laws already on the books.)

3. Has a very good chance of ending birthright citizenship.

4. Rolling back DEI initiatives and returning to merit as a basis for hiring, and promotions (particularly in Government)

5. Declaring cartels as terrorist organizations, which means that Military & National Intelligence assets can be used to better effect.

Those are a musts, and wins. Now on to deporting illegals and enforcing the law, we good.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by vienna

I just wanted to add my two cents in defense of posters like Buddahaid: he, and a few others, really do post and provide material which has a real basis in fact and truth, not in opinion; a court filing is a court filing, a judicial decision is a judicial decision, and a law, as writ, is a law; the disparagement of those posters is shameful to a very great degree and the abuse they are subject to is even more shameful; I am very impressed with the forbearance of Buddahaid and admire his patience and his sense of purpose; in the midst of the fertilizer storm that often occurs on this thread, his ports are refreshing, succinct reminders that the truth is out there if you look for it and that the truth actually matters; I'd rather read one of his posts than the litany of YT opinion videos by dubious characters or the op-ed attack pieces so often posted in this thread; he, and others like him actually post verifiable facts, not social media pap...


To Buddahaid:




<O>

Thank you for the support and I appreciate your posts immensely as well.

On that note, here's a court filing from Friday from defendant Ann Selzer in Trump's lawsuit over a poll she made during the election campaign where Trump is trying to step all over the First Amendment's freedom of the press.

"Mr. Trump and Ms. Miller-Meeks allege their campaigns “expend[ed] extensive time and
resources to mitigate and counteract the harms” of the Iowa Poll, though they do not allege what
those resources or expenditures were. (Id. at ¶¶ 131–32.) Rep. Miller-Meeks alleges her close race
triggered a “costly recount.” (Id. at ¶ 91.) Under Iowa law, the State of Iowa—not Rep. Miller
Meeks or her campaign—paid for the recount. Iowa Code § 50.48(2)(a). Mr. Zaun, who lost his
state senate seat to Democrat Matt Blake by four points, alleges Blake’s victory “upon information
and belief [was] fueled by momentum from” the Iowa Poll. (Id. at ¶ 101.) Plaintiffs also allege the
poll “deceived Iowans who contributed to their campaigns.” (Id. at ¶¶ 117–18.)"

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...89411.25.1.pdf

[Catfish]

"A former KGB officer claims that Donald Trump was recruited by the Soviet secret service in 1987. What is behind this sensational accusation?"

https://www-t--online-de.translate.g...x_tr_hist=true

"When it comes to Trump's strange relationship with Russia , speculation often arises as to whether Trump had already made himself vulnerable to blackmail or otherwise surrendered himself to the then Soviet Union.
After his trip to Moscow, Trump suddenly began taking out full-page newspaper ads in major American publications criticizing US foreign policy and NATO in particular - a move that some have repeatedly suspected was influenced by Trump's interactions with Soviet officials. These are positions that Trump has continued to represent for decades, right up to the present day."


Background for Trump's activities in Moscow back then

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ely-tiny-deal/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busine...rump_in_Russia

[Catfish]

[Red Devil]

Something Trump said really blew me up, it was so putinist, I hope it was fake news.


"The Ukraine started the war, not Putin" this was after his meeting with the dictator. If its true as reported in a dubious UK left wing press, its horrible. Also reported was absolute anger in Europe.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"A former KGB officer claims that Donald Trump was recruited by the Soviet secret service in 1987. What is behind this sensational accusation?"

https://www-t--online-de.translate.g...x_tr_hist=true

"When it comes to Trump's strange relationship with Russia , speculation often arises as to whether Trump had already made himself vulnerable to blackmail or otherwise surrendered himself to the then Soviet Union.
After his trip to Moscow, Trump suddenly began taking out full-page newspaper ads in major American publications criticizing US foreign policy and NATO in particular - a move that some have repeatedly suspected was influenced by Trump's interactions with Soviet officials. These are positions that Trump has continued to represent for decades, right up to the present day."


Background for Trump's activities in Moscow back then

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ely-tiny-deal/

Don't know whether it is true or not-What I wonder is:

Can he, if the story is true, remain in the White House ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

...I'm hopefully reminded of assassin, Max von Sydow's line in Three Days of the Condor with Robert Redford: "I expect he was about to become an embarressment"; as one his
own White House Secret Service detail puts finis to his term in office. And, Oswald was a patsy! Frankly, I'm embarrassed to call myself a 'Merikan...oh wait; the Donald has said he'll make my $ocial $ecurity tax free, along with restaurant waiter tips ...nevermind-anyone can be 'bought' theze daze!

[Catfish]

@Mapuc Please watch this and tell me what you think.



Not much to do with this video, but one comment is "I believe now is the ideal time for UK intelligence to take a deeper dive into all past reports on Putin and Trump, particularly their meetings back in 2013."
I guess they did it already, who should hinder them, outside the US.

[mapuc]

^ Not going to watch the video, not saying it's not worth watching though. However he is the President in another country where I have zero impact on the politics. This is why it has to be the American authorities who shall investigate it and perhaps remove him from office or not.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ it is not about what you seem to think it is just about Trump's policy towards Russia, and what we can expect. He remains very calm, but tells that Europe has to take over when it comes to support for Ukraine.
Otherwise Russia will continue to attack other countries in 4-5 years, and we probably cannot expect the US to help, with or without NATO.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ it is not about what you seem to think it is just about Trump's policy towards Russia, and what we can expect. He remains very calm, but tells that Europe has to take over when it comes to support for Ukraine.
Otherwise Russia will continue to attack other countries in 4-5 years, and we probably cannot expect the US to help, with or without NATO.

I've seen other videos where the same was mentioned.

You're right it seems like Europe is on its own.

Markus