US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

There is nothing to prove. This is the Law. I will assume, at least for the moment, that you know how to read. If so, read on.

There is a lawsuit so there is something to prove, and the DOJ has to make their case in court whether you like it or not.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

There is a lawsuit so there is something to prove, and the DOJ has to make their case in court whether you like it or not.

I'm fine with these cases going to Court. however, This is essentially the Legal version of a Filibuster. These Lawsuits filed against the Trump Administration are little more than an attempt to slow down or delay Trump until the Democrats can think of something else or file another frivolous Lawsuit.

The President of the United States has the power to protect and safeguard this Country. Those opposing it should tell you they are getting something out of opposing it. It's the same as those Opposing Doge. August posted a link to the waste that has been found. I differ from that as I think that money found it's way into different people's pockets and the examples of waste found are little more than fronts that laundered that money. However, the money lost is real, regardless of where it went.

In short, these Legislators work for us, not the other way around. The Democrats believe we are little more than indentured Servants to their Will. We essentially rule by consensus and a majority. The screwed up transgender crowd are not even close to being a majority. They aren't even a minority but rather reminiscent of the rejects from the land of misfit toys. And yet, the Democrats expect the general public to pander and cater to this group. I have no Issue with the transgender crowd unless they try to make their problems our problems.

The American people overwhelmingly voted to clean up this Democratic mess and drain the Swamp. The reality is, these Legislators don't have the luxury of indulging in their personal opinions or feelings, regardless of what they may be, with regards to DOGE, Migrants or anything else they don't like. Exercise some common sense and listen to your constituencies in what they want and expect.

If the Democrats don't get their act together soon, they will face another backlash at the polls during the midterm elections. The general consensus is, the Democrats are trying to thwart the will of the People. The Democrats have never been as hated as they are now. That is likely to continue and grow, possibly resulting in violence that no one wants. The Democrats would be wise to consider all of the ramifications of their actions.

[Buddahaid]

I’ll remind you I was talking about the DOJ’s suit against NY.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I’ll remind you I was talking about the DOJ’s suit against NY.

Right and since when It is within the confines of the law to Issue Drivers Licenses to those that became criminals when they Illegally crossed into the U.S ? Individuals that are not Citizens of the U.S. The Migrants that crossed into the United States are Criminals. Plain and Simple. Do you believe NY will be successful in defending against U.S Attorney General Pam Bondi ?

[Buddahaid]

Since NY decided to do that because DL's are issued by States, not the Federal government. It's for the courts to decide not the court of public opinion.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Since NY decided to do that because DL's are issued by States, not the Federal government. It's for the courts to decide not the court of public opinion.

That is true but The Feds have ultimate oversight with regards to States. Ergo, you you can't Issue a Drivers License to someone who is Illegally in the U.S and Criminally so. They are not legal residents of New York or the U.S. That is more an Issue since Drivers Licenses are used for Identification and so this is a way to validate Criminal Illegal Aliens by NY.

[Buddahaid]

I wish I could find the actual complaint filed to post but in lieu of that I can transpose what the suit is asking of the court.

"PRAYER FOR RELIEF

The United States respectfully requests the following relief:

A. That this Court enter a judgement declaring the New York's Green Light Law violates the Supremacy Clause, and is therefore both unlawful and unenforceable;

B. That this Court enter a permanent injunction barring Defendents---as well as any of their successors, agents, or employees---from enforcing New York's Green Light Law;

C. That this Court award the United States it's fees and costs in this action; and

D. That this Court award any other relief it deems just and proper.

Dated: February 12, 2025"

[vienna]

Originally Posted by u crank

So getting enough votes to win reelection against Harris/Biden says what about Harris/Biden? If someone as bad as Trump could could win reelection then just how bad were they? The Democrats' choice of candidates has been, since Obama departed the scene sad indeed. The result, Trump 2.0. Buckle up the fun has just begun.

I didn't say or imply Biden/Harris was any better than Trump/Vance, nor am I saying or implying Trump/Vance is any better than Biden/Harris; you are actually making my point: given how the GOP/Trump/MSGA have chosen to drill into the voters' minds just how bad they see Biden/Harris, shouldn't their guy have very, easily beaten Harris last year, and by a very solid majority? Yet, not only did Trump not achieve a popular vote majority, he just barely squeezed by, which is hardly a ringing endorsement by the voters of Trump's capabilities in a second term; Trump is not the winner because the majority of the voters wanted him, he's only getting a second term because his opposition was so week; remember, trump lost Presidential elections twice before his win in 2024 and by margins that were greater than his margin over Harris...

...and I am just as you say, watching the fun; its always a bit amusing to watch a train wreck being staged...




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[Otto Harkaman]

When bureaucrats dare with unchecked pen,
To write decrees beyond their ken,
A murky mire begins to grow—
A swamp where dark ambitions flow.
The enemy is the swamp, plain seen,
A bog of orders, sly and mean;
Where common sense is drowned in power,
And liberty wilts by the hour.
Yet let our voices rise and ring,
To challenge lawfare's cruel sting;
Before the ballots cast our blight,
We clear the swamp with truth and right.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Kamala Harris won Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, Delaware, New Jersey, Hawaii and all the New England States. Donald Trump won all the rest including the 7 battleground States like Ohio and Pennsylvania where Harris Campaigned extensively.

Donald Trump won 312 Electoral College Votes To 226 for Kamala Harris. 270 Electoral Votes were needed to win. That sounds pretty decisive to me. In fact, it sounds like a rout. Harris won 74,749,891 votes (48.3%) of the Popular vote to 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) For Donald Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA...S/zjpqnemxwvx/

Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.


This map looks pretty convincing too, by precincts. The red areas are for Trump.

So, I see you haven't really been able to prove your "vast majority" line of bull using the popular vote tallies, so you've switched to trying to justify your claims using the Electoral College vote, instead; let's look at that, then...

First of all, unlike the direct popular vote, which is basically objective (one voter, one vote), the Electoral College is highly subjective and prone to being gamed and manipulated; the popular vote is the purest of the two and is a far more accurate barometer of the public will than the Electoral College; remember, the Electoral College was initially set up to appease the Slave States (SS); the SS had a number of issues with the way they were being seen; when the Continental Congress (CC) first established the means of counting citizens for the purpose of allocating House seats, slaves were not included in the population counts seeing as the SS openly regarded the slaves as property and not people; however, when it became obvious that the SS were not going to have as many seats in the House as they wanted, they demanded the slaves be included in the head count for for seats; the CC balked at this and, after much debate, a compromise was made where a slave was to be considered 3/5 ths of person for the purposes of population counts towards House seats and Electoral College votes; the result was to give the SS more influence than they would have gotten if the population count was solely based on the count of citizens in those states who had full citizen's rights; the SS wanted their slaves to be seen as property but they also wanted to reap a benefit, politically, by wanting those 'non-citizens', with no rights under the law, to be counted as if they were, even fractionally, 'real citizens'; the Electoral College, since it is based on the same criteria that determined House seats, is just an offshoot of the 3/5 ths Compromise; the Electoral College and its reason for existence really should have been ended when slavery was abolished, but, yet, it remains as a sad, pathetic relic of past days and deals..

Secondly, the way EC votes are allocated can vary from state to state and are not, in any way, homogenous; each state determines the way they will cast their EC votes based on their own criteria, thus it is not really objective overall and is more subjective than the popular vote system...

Thirdly, the EC system can be gamed and manipulated far, far more than the popular vote; we saw just how badly the process can be corrupted in 2020 when slates of fake Electors were attempted to be entered and when machinations by the incumbent President to tamper with some states' Electoral process was revealed; it is far, far easier to "fudge" the EC than the popular vote; in fact, with the EC, it is very possible for a Presidential candidate to win the direct popular vote, often by a goodly margin, and yet, be denied office because of the vagaries of the EC, and there is historical fact to prove this...

Now, to your claim of Trump getting 312 EC votes as being proof of some sort of voter acclaim; in 2016, Hillary Clinton defeated Trump in the popular vote but her victory was overturned, not by the voters directly, but by the EC's structure; the GOP gamed the election, not really to get the approval of the voters for their candidate, but to ensure they'd get enough EC votes to 'win'; Trump got 304 EC votes and declared he had won by a landslide; four years later, Biden got 306 EC votes (and over 7 million more votes than Trump), so I guess Biden won by an even bigger landslide than Trump in 2016; in 2024, Trump got 312 EC votes: now, you're probably saying something like 'it proves Trump was a really big winner' but not so fast; the EC is such a twisted mess of subjective influences, it has no real connection to or correlation with the will of the voters as expressed in the "one voter, one vote' objectivity of the popular vote; my favorite instance of just how wildly the EC can be versus the popular vote is the Nixon V. McGovern election of 1972; Nixon won the popular vote garnering a solid 60.7% of the votes cast; however, when the EC votes were tallied, Nixon got 96.8% (520 votes) of the EC votes, a figure way out of step with the popular vote; in 1980, Reagan got 50.4% of the popular vote, but got 90.1% (489 votes) of the EC votes; in 1984, Reagan got 58.8% of the popular, but got 97.6% (525 votes) of the EC; the numbers in the EC just don't have the ability to accurately reflect the wishes and/or mood of the US voters; the EC is an archaic, arcane leftover from slave days' attempts to appease the slavers...

So, you think 312 is something to write home about? try Reagan's 525 and 520, or Nixon's 520, for that matter; there is no landslide for Trump in 2016, 2020, or 2024, and there certainly no "vast majority", at all...

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

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Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.

...

Yes, numbers don't lie and I have the numbers to prove your claim of a "vast majority" are just so much BS and have no basis in objective facts; you tried to pretty up the Trump Pig, but no amount of lipstick is gonna make that oinker any more pleasing to the majority of the voters who didn't vote for him...

..and as far as crying is concerned, I shed no tears over this; I'm just enjoying watching Donald Dumb and his merry band of minions Keystone Kop their way through the last term of someone who will fulfill his destiny with yet another failure; unfortunately, they are going to do a lot of damage in the process, but the US is a strong country and I'm sure we'll get through the next four yeas of Oval Office idiocy and emerge with a better sense of how to avoid something like this happening again...

Remember, politics in the US is like a pendulum and however far you pull a pendulum in one direction, it will swing back just as far in the other direction; it would seem the MAGA minions are gonna be in for a rude awakening once The Giant Lemon has served his term...


Ahh, the tears of the MAGA will be delicious...





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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

When bureaucrats dare with unchecked pen,
To write decrees beyond their ken,
A murky mire begins to grow—
A swamp where dark ambitions flow.
The enemy is the swamp, plain seen,
A bog of orders, sly and mean;
Where common sense is drowned in power,
And liberty wilts by the hour.
Yet let our voices rise and ring,
To challenge lawfare's cruel sting;
Before the ballots cast our blight,
We clear the swamp with truth and right.

...you forgot to add the "Burma Shave"...




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[AVGWarhawk]

It's beyond me why people like to see someone fail.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

given how the GOP/Trump/MSGA have chosen to drill into the voters' minds just how bad they see Biden/Harris, shouldn't their guy have very, easily beaten Harris last year, and by a very solid majority?

Given how Trump was suppose to be Hitler, a Fascist, a racist and that he was suppose to destroy democracy, shouldn't Harris have won and by a landslide?

Yet, not only did Trump not achieve a popular vote majority, ..

Trump won the popular vote by 2,284,967 votes.

... he's only getting a second term because his opposition was so week;

And now you are making my point.

.. remember, trump lost Presidential elections twice before his win in 2024 and by margins that were greater than his margin over Harris...

Trump has run for office three times. He won twice. Where are you getting that he lost twice?

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Indeed!

You're damn right and my favorite Rhino is Lindsey Graham,who was in Munich Germany telling Zelinski to sign mineral rights to American companies and Trump would have to defend Ukraine.Here is a 30 year politician Senator that is telling the President of another country, Look if you sign on the line now,before i leave Trump will have to defend those mineral sites.

I watched on live tv.US Senators have discussion with Zelinski. I looked into Lindsey Graham's Wikipedia history and came to the conclusion this 30 year Politician. He Is a cheap imitation of a U.S. Air Force officer, A Warhawk who has no wife or kids.And has no problem making decisions that will result in Death. As long as it brings Power and Wealth to Lindsey Graham.

Here is a Republican that should be exposed. Come on Elon

[u crank]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It's beyond me why people like to see someone fail.

When that is all you've got you run with it.