Donald Trump secures release of American Marc Fogel

Jimbuna · 02-12-25, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

Well since I posted earlier we've heard the US proposals & it might not be as bad as we'd feared: they didn't close the door on Ukraine's admittance to NATO

Glynn they actually slammed the door shut imho.

The video is viewable if you click the link on the bottom.

Eichhörnchen · 02-12-25, 02:17 PM

^ Your video is 'unavailable' - I've been trying to find another clip but as I heard it the US Defence Secretary said that membership of NATO would not form part of any forthcoming settlement - to me that just means "for the time being"

If that has changed or they plan to block Ukraine's future formal applications then this would be unforgivable

Found it:-

Catfish · 02-12-25, 02:25 PM

Did the US decide this without hearing other Nato members.

Eichhörnchen · 02-12-25, 02:37 PM

I'm sure of it

Commander Wallace · 02-12-25, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Did the US decide this without hearing other Nato members.

I hope not. I wish we, NATO and the U.S would have simply given the Ukraine the weapon's they needed and let them do what they needed to do. That includes long range weapons. The Ukraine has shown they know how to fight, and with courage.

Eichhörnchen · 02-12-25, 06:46 PM

^ I agree

I saw a headline just now "Trump offers Putin a way back in from the cold" - these journo's just do not think before they write: how can he ever come in from the cold?

Commander Wallace · 02-12-25, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

^ I agree

I saw a headline just now "Trump offers Putin a way back in from the cold" - these journo's just do not think before they write: how can he ever come in from the cold?

With the atrocities Putrid has committed, that's a big question. What about the cities reduced to rubble. Who pays for and rebuilds these cities ?

Lost in all these discussions are the Children that were forcibly kidnapped from the Ukraine and sent to Russia. This number is estimated to be 720,000 according to BBC. There are many questions to be asked-and answered.

These Children have to be returned to their parents if they are still living or their relatives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68249102

Eichhörnchen · 02-13-25, 06:46 AM

But is NATO now done? Will the US still honour its obligation to come to the aid of a fellow signatory? This deterrent only works if it's a 100 per cent guarantee of assistance - but I've a horrible feeling all this is about to change. If it does then of course Putin wins after all

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,408 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	^ Your video is 'unavailable' - I've been trying to find another clip but as I heard it the US Defence Secretary said that membership of NATO would not form part of any forthcoming settlement - to me that just means "for the time being" If that has changed or they plan to block Ukraine's future formal applications then this would be unforgivable Found it:- __________________ Last edited by Eichhörnchen; 02-12-25 at 02:30 PM.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Did the US decide this without hearing other Nato members. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,408 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	^ I agree I saw a headline just now "Trump offers Putin a way back in from the cold" - these journo's just do not think before they write: how can he ever come in from the cold? __________________ Last edited by Eichhörnchen; 02-12-25 at 06:57 PM.

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,408 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	But is NATO now done? Will the US still honour its obligation to come to the aid of a fellow signatory? This deterrent only works if it's a 100 per cent guarantee of assistance - but I've a horrible feeling all this is about to change. If it does then of course Putin wins after all __________________