US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 759

u crank · 02-08-25, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Did he fail !? Well it depends on who you ask. Some will say yes and others no.

It is a good question Markus. And apparently more people didn't think he failed and they voted him back into office.

Commander Wallace · 02-08-25, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

It is a good question Markus. And apparently more people didn't think he failed and they voted him back into office.

I think it's a multi tiered question. I think it was more that the Democrats wouldn't address the crime tied to unfettered people crossing the border. You know you have an Issue when you have Mexicans burning the American flag and carrying the Mexican flag in our streets. That is of course a crime here in the U.S. They hate our Country but are here Illegally for the handouts that are drying up. American voters have said enough is enough.

In my opinion, they should have been rounded up and if they had American citizenship, stripped of their citizenship and deported back to Mexico, post haste. Throw in uncontrolled spending, fueling sky rocketing inflation. Then you have the question of who was running this Country for the last four years since it is now obvious that Biden couldn't tie his shoe laces without help.

This is a disaster for the Democrats and I think it will continue to be because they are too stupid to listen to the fact that the vast majority of Americans aren't interested in what they stand for. Trump promised to address these Issues and so far, he is making good on those promises. That is basically it.

vienna · 02-08-25, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Did he fail !? Well it depends on who you ask. Some will say yes and others no.

Markus

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Originally Posted by u crank

It is a good question Markus. And apparently more people didn't think he failed and they voted him back into office.

Well, I would say that not being able to muster enough votes to win reelection is an excellent indicator of the voter's dissatisfaction with Trump's performance in his first term; remember, Trump didn't win the popular vote to get in the Oval Office in the first place; Hillary beat him in the popular vote by 2,868,686 votes, so Trump, by no means, had any sort of 'mandate' for his first term, and, under his 'leadership', the GOP lost badly in the midterms;...

Then you move on to 2020 and Trump lose his bid for a second term to Biden, who beat him by a margin of a whopping 7,059,526 votes; it is obvious that Trump couldn't persuade enough of his former voters to keep him in office, a sure indicator of the dissatisfaction of Trump's first term and the voters' rejection of his Presidency; Trump, as usual, failed in another of his endeavors, just like all those con artist businesses he hustled over the decades...

Now you've got 2024 and Trump was running against a party that was in complete disarray, had many problem issues, had lost its incumbent candidate, who, by the way, torpedoed the DEM Party by turning in an abysmal performance in the debate; Trump, by all metrics, should have had a field day in the elections, but he couldn't even crack the 50% mark, and more voters actually voted for other candidates than those who voted for him; and Trump's 'margin of victory' was fairly anemic: just 2,284,967 votes, less than the margin Hillary beat him with in 2016, and only 1/3 of Biden's margin over Trump in 2020; there really is no statistical basis for anyone making a claim of a mandate, or, even more ludicrous and ridiculous, any sort of "vast majority"; Trump initially won office by gaming a system that is arcane and outdated, not by winning the popular vote; and he lost, badly, when he asked the voters to keep him in office; now he's back, not because he's the best (it all too obvious he's not really the brightest), but because circumstance worked in the favor of whoever the GOP was running; if Trump really was such a "great choice", why isn't that "greatness' reflected in the election results? He barely got by and, again, couldn't even get a majority of the votes; Trump was running on vapors and is now using up whatever vapors he had left...

Did he fail? Obviously he did because the voters looked at four years of his "leadership" and said "NO" emphatically; no amount of lipstick is gonna make that pig any prettier...

But, hey, what I really want is one of you Trumpettes out there to prove me wrong, with numbers to back you up, that anything I have posted about the obvious lackings of Trump is false; and, remember, I am asking for verifiable facts, not opeds or YT MAGA rubbish...

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I think it's a multi tiered question. I think it was more that the Democrats wouldn't address the crime tied to unfettered people crossing the border. You know you have an Issue when you have Mexicans burning the American flag and carrying the Mexican flag in our streets. That is of course a crime here in the U.S. They hate our Country but are here Illegally for the handouts that are drying up. American voters have said enough is enough.

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As usual, CW, you have your "facts" wrong: burning the US Flag, in protest is not a US crime and the SCOTUS has ruled on the matter and affirms the 1st Amendment protections afforded to such protest; i an not a fan of falg burning, but it is not a crime...

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

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Throw in uncontrolled spending, fueling sky rocketing inflation. Then you have the question of who was running this Country for the last four years since it is now obvious that Biden couldn't tie his shoe laces without help.

This is a disaster for the Democrats and I think it will continue to be because they are too stupid to listen to the fact that the vast majority of Americans aren't interested in what they stand for. Trump promised to address these Issues and so far, he is making good on those promises. That is basically it.

If you think the last four years under Biden were a mess with "uncontrolled spending, fueling sky rocketing inflation", just wait until Trump's whack-a-doodle economic policies take hold; this is one of the key reasons I really think the GOP is going to rue the day they bent over and grabbed their ankles before Trump come the mid-terms; already, the specter of food prices going further out of control, fuel prices rising, and the costs of common goods being affected by the shotgun approach to tariffs and inflation, is making for some grim times for the GOP in 2026...

,,,and, the voters, DEM or GOP are not to stupid too see whose had is on the wheel when the car careens off the road...

Please, also, inform us where you keep getting that "vast majority" you keep referring to...

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Skybird · 02-08-25, 08:18 PM

u crank · 02-08-25, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Well, I would say that not being able to muster enough votes to win reelection is an excellent indicator of the voter's dissatisfaction with Trump's performance in his first term;

So getting enough votes to win reelection against Harris/Biden says what about Harris/Biden? If someone as bad as Trump could could win reelection then just how bad were they? The Democrats' choice of candidates has been, since Obama departed the scene sad indeed. The result, Trump 2.0. Buckle up the fun has just begun.

Commander Wallace · 02-08-25, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

As usual, CW, you have your "facts" wrong: burning the US Flag, in protest is not a US crime and the SCOTUS has ruled on the matter and affirms the 1st Amendment protections afforded to such protest; i an not a fan of falg burning, but it is not a crime...

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This is the U.S code. Individual States have enforced it. The Supreme Court was sharply divided in it's decisions in flag burning being protected speech.

18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.

(b) As used in this section, the term “flag of the United States” means any flag of the United States, or any part thereof, made of any substance, of any size, in a form that is commonly displayed.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...edition=prelim

If you think Flag burning is protected other than provided in numeral 2 , try burning our Flag in front of Law Enforcement and see what happens, Pal.

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Originally Posted by u crank

So getting enough votes to win reelection against Harris/Biden says what about Harris/Biden? If someone as bad as Trump could could win reelection then just how bad were they? The Democrats' choice of candidates has been, since Obama departed the scene sad indeed. The result, Trump 2.0. Buckle up the fun has just begun.

You have it right, Marcel.

mapuc · 02-08-25, 11:15 PM

Every country have laws on how their flag should be treated and what punishment there is if these law is broken.

Markus

Commander Wallace · 02-08-25, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Every country have laws on how their flag should be treated and what punishment there is if these law is broken.

Markus

Not according to Vienna. The Supreme Court has ruled on this but Individual States still protect the American flag.

mapuc · 02-08-25, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Not according to Vienna.

Which surprised me, when he said not according to 1st Amendment.

Markus

Commander Wallace · 02-08-25, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Now you've got 2024 and Trump was running against a party that was in complete disarray, had many problem issues, had lost its incumbent candidate, who, by the way, torpedoed the DEM Party by turning in an abysmal performance in the debate; Trump, by all metrics, should have had a field day in the elections, but he couldn't even crack the 50% mark, and more voters actually voted for other candidates than those who voted for him; and Trump's 'margin of victory' was fairly anemic: just 2,284,967 votes, less than the margin Hillary beat him with in 2016, and only 1/3 of Biden's margin over Trump in 2020; there really is no statistical basis for anyone making a claim of a mandate, or, even more ludicrous and ridiculous, any sort of "vast majority"; Trump initially won office by gaming a system that is arcane and outdated, not by winning the popular vote; and he lost, badly, when he asked the voters to keep him in office; now he's back, not because he's the best (it all too obvious he's not really the brightest), but because circumstance worked in the favor of whoever the GOP was running; if Trump really was such a "great choice", why isn't that "greatness' reflected in the election results? He barely got by and, again, couldn't even get a majority of the votes; Trump was running on vapors and is now using up whatever vapors he had left...

But, hey, what I really want is one of you Trumpettes out there to prove me wrong, with numbers to back you up, that anything I have posted about the obvious lackings of Trump is false; and, remember, I am asking for verifiable facts, not opeds or YT MAGA rubbish...

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Kamala Harris won Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, Delaware, New Jersey, Hawaii and all the New England States. Donald Trump won all the rest including the 7 battleground States like Ohio and Pennsylvania where Harris Campaigned extensively.

Donald Trump won 312 Electoral College Votes To 226 for Kamala Harris. 270 Electoral Votes were needed to win. That sounds pretty decisive to me. In fact, it sounds like a rout. Harris won 74,749,891 votes (48.3%) of the Popular vote to 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) For Donald Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA...S/zjpqnemxwvx/

Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.

This map looks pretty convincing too, by precincts. The red areas are for Trump.

mapuc · 02-08-25, 11:48 PM

Regarding the flag issue.

Vienna is correct.

From google
Question: Is it illegal to burn the American flag ?
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No. The Court has recognized that the First Amendment protects certain forms of symbolic speech. Flag burning is such a form of symbolic speech. When a flag is privately owned, the owner should be able to burn it if the owner chooses, especially if this action is meant in the form of protest.

https://www.freedomforum.org/flag-de...rst-amendment/

Markus

Commander Wallace · 02-09-25, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Regarding the flag issue.

Vienna is correct.

From google
Question: Is it illegal to burn the American flag ?
Answer:

https://www.freedomforum.org/flag-de...rst-amendment/

Markus

Wrong Markus. The U.S Supreme Court heard this case.

This activity ( Flag Burning ) is based on the landmark Supreme Court case Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), which deals
with First Amendment protection of flag burning as symbolic speech.

In the wake of that decision.

United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990) The Johnson decision only affected a Texas state law. In the wake of the decision, the federal government enacted a law that also prohibited flag burning. In order to try to get around constitutional challenges, the law prohibited all types of flag desecration, with the exception of burning and burying a worn-out flag, regardless of whether the action upset others. The Supreme Court held that this did not cure the constitutional defect and the same 7-3 majority from Johnson held that the law still impermissibly discriminated upon viewpoint and struck it down

https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/defau...-burning_1.pdf

It can be viewed as protected speech but People are still prosecuted for it.

Further.

Quote: burning the flag to deliberately provoke a violent response from someone else or in order to incite others to Imminent lawlessness violence is not protected either.

https://www.freedomforum.org/flag-de...rst-amendment/

This is from the link you provided, Markus.

To be fair, It's a contentious Issue. Most Americans would never think of burning our Flag which explains why the subject rarely comes up. It happens more with foreign born nationals. So, Vienna may be partially correct. If this case went to the U.S Supreme Court now, there is no telling how it would be decided. The U.S Supreme Court was deeply divided then. Perhaps this Issue needs to be revisited by the Supreme Court.

mapuc · 02-09-25, 01:38 PM

Never knew Trump could have such an affect on ordinary people around the world.

According to a short story in a Danish newspaper-the number of people seeking help for nervousness increased since Trump became President by 19 percent. That's what I call the Trump effect.

Markus

mapuc · 02-09-25, 04:54 PM

Doesn't sound good in the ear of those who can't stand him

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A fresh poll from CBS News prepared by YouGov shows that Americans' support for Donald Trump is higher than ever.

This is written by the American media Axios .

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

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