88mm deck gun mod for the Type II

Bladekill1298 · 12-16-24, 11:25 PM

I've been working on a mod that implements the 8.8cm cannon for the type II but to no avail

Yes this is unrealistic, here's what I tried so far:

In the basic.cfg for [AO1] I swapped out the 20mm entry for the 88mm one (This swapped the model but registered the gun as destroyed ie unusuable)

I've swapped the labels for the guns around in GUN_SUB.dat (This gave me the same result as above)

I've tried to reclassify the 88mm in GUN_SUB.sim as type: AAgun (exchanged from "cannon")

I've tried to delete two crew nodes in the 88mm dat file (I did this thinking the gun would only need one crew member)

I've looked at older posts on subsim and none of them have a real solution

Any pointers to where/what I should manipulate, modify? With sophisticated mods such as Warship Mod there surely has to be a way to implement this.

Thanks.

mikolajcap21 · 12-16-24, 11:40 PM

test

Anvar1061 · 12-17-24, 01:57 AM

Type II submarines have never had a gun 88 installed. Why are you doing this?

Jeff-Groves · 12-17-24, 04:57 PM

Don't matter Why he wants to do it. It's his install.

I'd say look at the Basic.cfg file

Mister_M · 12-18-24, 04:12 AM

Maybe a Cannon type can't be placed on a cfg#A01_ node...

Try changing the node's name from "A01" to "M01" in data/Submariine/NSS_Uboat2D/NSS_Uboat2D.dat ... and in NSS_Uboat2D.eqp ... and in basic.cfg

Aktungbby · 12-18-24, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anvar1061

Type II submarines have never had a gun 88 installed. Why are you doing this?

Precisely, the Type II (A,B,C &D) was never intended to surface and 'duke-it-out' with a surface target. Morover, the center of gravity for such a smaller craft with a slim crew and only 5 'eels' was such that the added weight of the type VII or VIX gun would seriously disrupt its stability under water, in addition to needing a 4 man crew just to man the weapon instead of attending to the vessel's operation at their critical 'general-quarters' battle posts.

Hooston · 12-19-24, 04:14 AM

SH3 is in a difficult area between "game" and "simulation". The deck guns are on the "game" side... and are jolly good fun.

I believe the deck gun was not really capable of directly sinking anything other than the smallest merchants. The accuracy was too low and the shells were too small to make a sizeable hole at the waterline. I have read several accounts of small WW2 warships trying to finish off crippled ships with gunfire and failing miserably.
The main idea was to get the ship to stop under prize rules, scare the crew into abandoning ship or set the ship on fire (which would probably eventually sink it). These things are not well represented in the game.

Early war the 20mm flak on the type II could be useable in intimidating unarmed lone merchants. I think this is a thing in "uboat", but I'm not sure if it actually happened in real life!

La vache · 12-20-24, 10:46 AM

Harrharrharr

Anvar1061 · 12-20-24, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by La vache

Harrharrharr

Aktungbby · 12-20-24, 12:03 PM

/\ that'll work! But ya gotta have wheel chocks for the U-boat's pitching and gun's recoil!

Hooston · 12-20-24, 08:10 PM

Totally unrealistic.

Have you thought how long it would take to get the gun limber down the hatch during a crash dive?

Not to mention the team of horses...

12-16-24, 11:25 PM	#1
Bladekill1298 Loader Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 90 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	88mm deck gun mod for the Type II I've been working on a mod that implements the 8.8cm cannon for the type II but to no avail Yes this is unrealistic, here's what I tried so far: In the basic.cfg for [AO1] I swapped out the 20mm entry for the 88mm one (This swapped the model but registered the gun as destroyed ie unusuable) I've swapped the labels for the guns around in GUN_SUB.dat (This gave me the same result as above) I've tried to reclassify the 88mm in GUN_SUB.sim as type: AAgun (exchanged from "cannon") I've tried to delete two crew nodes in the 88mm dat file (I did this thinking the gun would only need one crew member) I've looked at older posts on subsim and none of them have a real solution Any pointers to where/what I should manipulate, modify? With sophisticated mods such as Warship Mod there surely has to be a way to implement this. Thanks.

12-16-24, 11:40 PM	#2
mikolajcap21 Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 12 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	test test

12-17-24, 01:57 AM	#3
Anvar1061 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: In the sea, on land and above Posts: 3,487 Downloads: 878 Uploads: 0	Type II submarines have never had a gun 88 installed. Why are you doing this? __________________

12-20-24, 10:46 AM	#8
La vache Soundman Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 142 Downloads: 205 Uploads: 0	Harrharrharr __________________ youtube

12-20-24, 12:03 PM	#10
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,058 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	/\ that'll work! But ya gotta have wheel chocks for the U-boat's pitching and gun's recoil! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

12-17-24, 04:57 PM	#4
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Don't matter Why he wants to do it. It's his install. I'd say look at the Basic.cfg file

12-18-24, 04:12 AM	#5
Mister_M Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 925 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Maybe a Cannon type can't be placed on a cfg#A01_ node... Try changing the node's name from "A01" to "M01" in data/Submariine/NSS_Uboat2D/NSS_Uboat2D.dat ... and in NSS_Uboat2D.eqp ... and in basic.cfg

12-19-24, 04:14 AM	#7
Hooston Beach Leaf Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 287 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	SH3 is in a difficult area between "game" and "simulation". The deck guns are on the "game" side... and are jolly good fun. I believe the deck gun was not really capable of directly sinking anything other than the smallest merchants. The accuracy was too low and the shells were too small to make a sizeable hole at the waterline. I have read several accounts of small WW2 warships trying to finish off crippled ships with gunfire and failing miserably. The main idea was to get the ship to stop under prize rules, scare the crew into abandoning ship or set the ship on fire (which would probably eventually sink it). These things are not well represented in the game. Early war the 20mm flak on the type II could be useable in intimidating unarmed lone merchants. I think this is a thing in "uboat", but I'm not sure if it actually happened in real life!

12-20-24, 08:10 PM	#11
Hooston Beach Leaf Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 287 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Totally unrealistic. Have you thought how long it would take to get the gun limber down the hatch during a crash dive? Not to mention the team of horses...