US Politics Thread 2021-24

[vienna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Well, this will ruffle a few feathers.

Not really such a big deal when you consider Josef Stalin (1939, 1942), Adolph Hitler (1938), Ayatollah Khomeini (1979), and Vladimir Putin (2007), among other dubious selections have made it to Time's Peron of the Year covers (in fact, some of the covers have been for multiple persons or for what would today be termed 'memes'); being on the cover does not mean the 'honorees' are being noted for being notable in a positive sense, but, rather, they made some kind of significant impact, good or bad on that particular year's news cycle(s)...




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[vienna]

Originally Posted by u crank

Are you saying that the Biden/Harris administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.

...Hmmm...


Would you have worded that post in this manner in 2020?...

Are you saying that the Trump/Pence administration was not unpopular? Are you saying that the voters didn't vote against the continuation of that administration? Seems to me that they voted that way for that exact reason.

Trump got fired by the US voters in 2020 and he barely managed to eke out a win over a seriously wounded candidate from a seriously wounded party in 2024; given what he was up against, he really should have done much better (and the GOP also should have done much better 'down ballot') than he did; he didn't even get a majority of the vote; more than 50% of the voters voted for someone other than Trump, all in all not at all a ringing 'mandate'...




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[Reece]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

^ No. It will cause some Liberal Democrats to convulse uncontrollably.

[Dargo]

Ontario Premier threatens to halt electricity exports to U.S. if Trump imposes new tariffs

Ontario Premier Doug Ford said he would stop supplying electricity to the U.S. if elected President Donald Trump imposes broad tariffs on Canadian goods, the AP reported on Dec. 11.We will make our list, and I’m sure other provinces will do the same. But we will act with full force, depending on how far this goes. We are prepared to stop their power supply,” Ford said after a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other provincial leaders. Approximately 60% of U.S. oil imports come from Canada, and 85% of imported electricity also comes from Canada.

It was unclear whether Ford was referring to all Canadian provinces halting energy exports to the U.S. or just his own province. However, Ford’s spokesperson, Grace Lee, said the issue was raised in a conversation with Trudeau. “Premier Ford can only speak on behalf of Ontario, but this is an area of provincial jurisdiction that we will certainly consider,” Lee said. Lee also noted that in 2023, Ontario supplied electricity to 1.5 million U.S. households and is a major exporter to Michigan, Minnesota, and New York. Canada is also the largest foreign supplier of steel, aluminum, and uranium to the U.S., and it possesses 34 critical minerals and metals that the Pentagon actively seeks and invests in.

You lot really want to anger Canucks think this a bigly smart plan?

[Dargo]

Since 2000, all president-elects’ end up on the cover. We keep forgetting that Time Person of the Year is not “the good guy of the year” it’s “the most important one.” Trump is for sure important.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dargo

You lot really want to anger Canucks think this a bigly smart plan?

Pretty sure that the US isn't getting free electricity from Canada. It would be a big revenue loss. Ford is not known for his smarts.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by u crank

Pretty sure that the US isn't getting free electricity from Canada. It would be a big revenue loss. Ford is not known for his smarts.

Problem with trade wars is you get hit back it is not that Canada bends over if Trump does a 25% tariff expect a payback and trade wars has had never a winner. America is not the only market, so most countries will move to other markets, America is not unique.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Problem with trade wars is you get hit back it is not that Canada bends over if Trump does a 25% tariff expect a payback and trade wars has had never a winner. America is not the only market, so most countries will move to other markets, America is not unique.

America is Canada's number one trading partner. Two thirds of our trade is with the US. Canada's population is 41 million. The US population is 340 million. Who do you think would win a trade war?

[Dargo]

^Mainly US imports and exports themselves are hit by import tariffs in the wake of a trade war. The Netherlands Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis (CPB) figures that the US will export 20% less. Dutch imports and exports will fall by only about 1%. The decline in some manufacturing industries is larger. Dutch service providers actually benefit from higher US import tariffs on goods.

This happened last time. The trade war between the United States and China does not have only losers. Asian and South American countries in particular benefit from the superpowers raising import tariffs back and forth. There are also opportunities for European companies. US pig farmers are going down the drain for hundreds of millions thanks to the trade war and have to move to other countries. Soy farmers in the US are also left with mountains of often rotting away crops. In China, meanwhile, consumer goods producers are hit especially hard.

Yet there are also benefits from the conflict. More than a year after the US introduced the first duties, Japanese investment bank Nomura concludes that the US and China have started importing fewer goods from each other and are now buying certain products from other countries. That extra trade is significantly jacking up the economy in some countries. In particular, the US is getting less computer electronics, electrical appliances and furniture from China. Conversely, the Chinese mainly import less soybeans, aircraft, grains and cotton from the US, Nomura concludes. Those products are now being sourced elsewhere, and the big winner is Vietnam. That country's gross domestic product (GDP) is up 7.9 per cent this year due to new trade with the US in particular, according to a Nomura estimate.

Those products are now being sourced elsewhere, and the big winner is Vietnam. That country's gross domestic product (GDP) is up 7.9 per cent this year due to new trade with the US in particular, according to a Nomura estimate. Americans are buying electrical equipment there for phones and other electronics that were otherwise bought in China. Taiwan and South Korea are also benefiting from additional trade with the US in that area. Meanwhile, Malaysia sells semiconductors and South Korea and Mexico export more motor vehicle parts to the US. In particular, China is buying much more soya from Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Canada. Gold the Chinese get more from Hong Kong, Singapore and South Africa, and natural gas comes more often from Malaysia and Australia.

European countries are also benefiting. France and Germany are supplying more planes and aircraft parts to China thanks to the trade war, Nomura said. ‘The benefit for European countries is greatest in France (0.3 per cent), but small overall,’ the economists write. There are opportunities for European companies to emerge as surprise winners in the trade dispute, David Owen, chief economist Europe at US investment bank Jefferies, told Bloomberg in May. If US levies make importing products from China less competitive, it is an opportunity for European companies to benefit, According to Owen, trade wars create ‘winners among losers’. This often seems to be forgotten and lost among all the negativity surrounding the issue, Owen said. Still, Nomura economists stress that there will mostly be losers from the trade war.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by u crank

America is Canada's number one trading partner. Two thirds of our trade is with the US. Canada's population is 41 million. The US population is 340 million. Who do you think would win a trade war?

According to analysts, Canadian oil accounts for 20% of US energy supply. Higher tariffs could increase US petrol prices by up to 70 cents per gallon. This!! You at the petrol station will be the biggest loser! For US consumers, import duties mean higher prices for everyday goods! MAGA except for its citizen duh. You all can think you are so great but I and the rest of Europe have to work lesser are protected by health insurance, guaranteed pension and have shyte load more holiday days for same or higher living standard. And yes we can biaach about that also, but as decadent rich bitches we biaach about everything.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dargo

According to analysts, Canadian oil accounts for 20% of US energy supply. Higher tariffs could increase US petrol prices by up to 70 cents per gallon. This!! You at the petrol station will be the biggest loser! For US consumers, import duties mean higher prices for everyday goods! MAGA except for its citizen duh.

Be realistic. We have the oil. And refineries. Not much of an argument. Anyway it is all tuff talk from both sides. Trump already has Trudeau worried. He has agreed to increase border security. In the end we will remain good friends.

[Dargo]

^Dream on good luck at the gas station, you do not import 20% without a reason, those are long-running contracts. "Trump already has Trudeau worried." It Is Trudeau's poker face, he is playing the game. You do not even know who is playing you, but be sure it has an orange glow. Your saviour has already admitted he can't bring down grocery prices. Why do some wage slaves defend billionaires so much?

So inevitable, another lie
Another reason to justify tearing it down
Honesty, such a novelty
So we king ourselves with an orange crown
Casualty of a daydream nation
Close acquaintance, no relation
Search and destroy
Dignity we left laying along the way
To everyone's dismay
Predictable cliché
So caught up in the process of weeding out
The chopping block starving for a neck
Pointing fingers and stabbing backs
Never question conformity
The big takeover underway
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dargo

^Dream on good luck at the gas station, you do not import 20% without a reason, those are long-running contracts. "Trump already has Trudeau worried." It Is Trudeau's poker face, he is playing the game. You do not even know who is playing you, but be sure it has an orange glow. Your saviour has already admitted he can't bring down grocery prices. Why do some wage slaves defend billionaires so much?

Why do you say he is my savior? I am not an American. And Justin Trudeau is on his way out the door. He won't win another election. And was that Trudeau's poker face when he went down to Florida to kiss the ring?

[les green01]

Looking around here farms and farmers are doing normal if the pig farmers around here survive during the COVID period when they couldn't find a butcher shop open they was selling them for 50 dollars a head to people they can survive anything being a country boy I know how to survive now I voted for trump this country couldn't last another 4 years what we had as far as I'm concerned this is the best country in the world that even counting most Dems well except the commies and Marx crapheads

[Jimbuna]