Conflict in Syria

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

I also fear for a bigger civil war in Syria.

I understand Assad's regime was harsh. But look at Saddam and Kaddafi.
Some countries are held together only with a iron fist...
You can't compare those countries with western countries.
A lot of people in Iraq regret what they did... even in Libya.


Like someone mentioned in Iraq ''we got rid of 1 tyrant, but he got replaced by 1000 tyrants''

yes, this happens when dictator is removed, country becomes destabilized and fight for power breaks out.

Libya and Iraq are both good examples when it went wrong.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Shadowblade

yes, this happens when dictator is removed, country becomes destabilized and fight for power breaks out.

Libya and Iraq are both good examples when it went wrong.

Not only that-We force our way of living here in the west with our democracy onto them.

Trump have stated on his social media-USA should stay out of it-Does this mean it will be the end of American support to SDF ?

Markus

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Not only that-We force our way of living here in the west with our democracy onto them.

Trump have stated on his social media-USA should stay out of it-Does this mean it will be the end of American support to SDF ?

Markus

yeah, some countries are not compatible with democracy (or not ready for it).
Then these people run to Europe and want to establish Caliphate and Shariah law here <facepalm>.

[Aktungbby]

...methinks Baba Vanga is right, and the collapse of Assad's regime will simply commence WWIII in earnest ala the shot fired in 1914 at Sarajevo. With Turkey which controls the Bosphorus preventing the travel of Russian warships out of the Black Sea, Putin will be loath to give up his western Syrian bases and influence in the eastern Mediterrainian Sea. With ally Iran, also bereft with the fall of the Assad regime, the matter will escalate out of control.

[Jimbuna]

The humiliated Assads' new life in Russia with their $2bn fortune

President Assad, his British wife and their three adult children have left behind their Syrian palaces and will begin a new life in Russia after being granted asylum by Vladimir Putin. Asma Al-Assad, a London-born doctor's daughter who married into the brutal autocratic dynasty, has become accustomed to a life of luxury, with reports that she spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on home furnishings and clothes during her husband's reign of terror.

The US state department estimates that the family are worth $2billion, with their wealth concealed in numerous accounts, shell companies, offshore tax havens and real estate portfolios. Now they are likely to draw on their family connections and extensive assets in Moscow in the hope of keeping up their comfortable lifestyle in exile. The Syrian dictator's extended family bought up at least 20 Moscow apartments worth more than £30 million in recent years, illustrating Russia's status as a safe haven for the clan.

The Kremlin today confirmed that the family was given asylum on the direct orders of Putin. Moscow disclosed no further details, with presidential spokesperson Dmitry Peskov telling reporters today: 'We have nothing to say about Assad's whereabouts.' Mrs Assad, who has been battling an aggressive form of leukaemia, is widely believed to have arrived in Moscow with her daughter and two sons days before her husband finally fled Syria. Secret tunnels beneath an Assad family mansion were reportedly uncovered after rebels seized the capital Damascus on Sunday, with the network serving as a possible escape route for the dictator and his allies.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...&ei=16#image=6

[Dargo]

The Military Operations Department in Syria and de facto transitional government announces a general amnesty for all military personnel conscripted under compulsory service. "Their lives are safe and no one may assault them," they add. The loss of its military harbor, airfields in Syria, threatens Russia's influence over African autocrats it seeks to support as its African military supply route would be significantly diminished. Putin's Syria debacle undermines Russia's broader geopolitical goal as a reliable global superpower. The biggest loser is Iran, its route to Lebanon and Yemen is severely hindered.

Raghad al-Tatary, a pilot who refused to bomb the city of Hama during the uprising against Hafez al-Assad in the 1980s, was freed after 43 years; Tal al-Mallouhi, 19 when she was arrested in 2009 for a blog post criticizing state corruption, was found alive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...assads-prisons

Day 1020 of my 3-day war. It's going so well that NATO, an aggressive alliance that seeks to destroy Russia, has 1 of their members helping me safely leave Syria. I remain a master strategist.

https://bsky.app/profile/darthputink.../3lcvbmxl3rs2k

It's as we all feared. They just discovered a massive pile of bodies in the dungeons of Sednaya prison. Former regime troops seems to have started executing detainees in large numbers as rebels were closing in on Damascus. Between 2011 and 2024, more than 100,000 Syrians, including members of the opposition, were detained without due process in state prisons, of which Saydnaya was the most notorious. Human rights organization Amnesty International has described the prison as a ‘human slaughterhouse’. It is estimated that more than 30,000 prisoners died there between 2011 and 2018 as a result of torture, lack of care and starvation. There were also said to be special ‘salt chambers’ where the bodies of perished prisoners were stored for disposal.

The former prime minister of Syria's Assad regime has agreed to hand over power to his rebel counterpart, outgoing prime minister Mohammad Ghazi Al-Jalali told Al Arabiya TV, according to Reuters. The Syrian rebels shared a video of the leader of the main rebel group HTS, Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, meeting with al-Jalali. The rebels said the meeting was to ‘coordinate the transfer of power in a way that guarantees service to our people in Syria’. The transitional government in Syria will be headed by Mohammed al-Bashir, an engineer who previously worked as an administrator in rebel-held territory. According to Syrian television, the rebels have now appointed him and his main task is to ‘prevent the country from sliding into chaos’. Al-Bashir, from Idlib, was previously a minister in the rebel-held north-western Syria. Earlier this year, he came to lead the government there, which was supported and funded by HTS. Al-Jolani remains the face of HTS as a military leader and is likely to play a major role in setting up a new government.

[mapuc]

Israel have conducted a series of bombing on Syrian air bases-Here they went after Helicopters and fighterjets. They did this because they don't want these to fall into the hands of these rebel groups.

Markus

[Skybird]

The Russioans will not give their bases up silently. Peskov already announced they want to negotiate their status with any follow-up government there may be. This gives the Syrians a very tempting opportunity to drive the costs up and squeeze quite some out of Russia, if they jump over their shadow and consider the Russian request. Its not clear to nom what the new current leader values higher: to itch the West by allowing the Russians to stay and make " fortune" from this, or to appease the West by not allowing and by that maybe inviting Western instead of Russian support. None of the possible outcomes I would call "obvious" at this time.

[Dargo]

The Israeli army ‘destroyed’ the Syrian military fleet on Monday night with rockets fired from ships. So says Defence Minister Israel Katz on a visit to a military maritime base in the city of Haifa. The aim of the operation was to ‘pre-emptively eliminate strategic threats against Israel’, Katz said. AFP photographers were able to capture the damage in the port city of Latakia this morning. Israel has also carried out more than 300 airstrikes up there on Syria since rebels took Damascus and President Bashar al-Assad fell, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (OSDH) reported earlier today.

The organisation, which relies on an extensive network of sources across Syria, said it had recorded ‘almost 310 attacks’ by ‘the Israeli air force’ since the announcement of Assad's fall Sunday morning, with AFP journalists in Damascus reporting explosions this morning. Israel sees the upheaval in Syria as an opportunity to weaken that country militarily. Katz confirmed the attacks, though without giving the exact number. ‘The Israeli army has conducted operations in Syria in recent days to attack and destroy strategic capabilities that threaten the state of Israel,’ he said. The minister also warned Syria's new leaders not to ‘follow the Assad path’.

According to the OSDH, the attacks were aimed at ‘destroying the weapons still present in the warehouses and military units controlled by the forces of the former regime’, which were affiliated with Iran and Lebanese Hezbollah, the organisation said in a statement. According to the Observatory, major Syrian military bases, warehouses, airfields, anti-aircraft installations and radars have been destroyed. In Damascus, a scientific research centre was bombed. According to eyewitnesses, almost nothing is left of the centre.

Katz said this afternoon that he has effectively ordered the army to create a ‘sterile defensive zone’ in southern Syria to ‘prevent any terrorist threat’, without requiring a permanent Israeli presence on Syrian territory. At issue is the buffer zone between Syria and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Israel strenuously denies that it wants to advance towards Damascus in the process. The Syrian capital is less than 45 kilometres from the truce line between Israel and Syria in the Golan Heights. That line was the front line at the end of the 1973 war, after which the narrow buffer zone was established.

The Israeli army denies that it is advancing towards the Syrian capital Damascus. Earlier today, international news agencies, based on anonymous Syrian sources, wrote that groups of Israeli forces had approached the capital. But according to army spokesmen, the units barely got past the buffer zone, which borders the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Spokesman Nadav Shoshani said the forces had taken a ‘limited number’ of points around the buffer zone. Israel says the capture of the buffer zone this weekend, which covers some 400 square kilometres, is temporary. Shoshani argues that the military presence in the region is necessary to ensure Israel's security now that rebels control Syria. The Israeli presence should prevent abandoned weaponry from reaching them, Shoshani argued.

Earlier on Tuesday, Israel faced criticism from Turkey, which has had a big finger in the country for years. Turkish-backed militant groups, united in the Syrian National Army (SNA), have long been operating across the border in northern Syria, fighting Kurdish forces in particular. Moreover, Turkey itself has occupied parts of northern Syria for years. Nevertheless, Turkey criticises Israel's action: ‘Israel once again shows that it is an occupying power,’ the Turkish foreign ministry wrote in a statement.

Turkey “strongly condemns” Israel advancing into Syrian territory, says Israel is displaying its “occupying mentality.” Hypocritical, as Turkey itself occupies large swaths of Syrian territory and is currently attacking the SDF to occupy even more.

[Skybird]

Israel thought of Assad as the evil known. What now comes is an unknown evil, most likely. So they do the only reasonable thing they are left to do: trying to pull as many teeth out of the evil's jaw while it still is lying still in paralysis.

I would do the same.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Israel thought of Assad as the evil known. What now comes is an unknown evil, most likely. So they do the only reasonable thing they are left to do: trying to pull as many teeth out of the evil's jaw while it still is lying still in paralysis.

I would do the same.

...shouldn't that be a stake through the heart?

[Dargo]

The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava, is a de facto autonomous region in northeastern Syria. It consists of self-governing sub-regions in the areas of Afrin, Jazira, Euphrates, Raqqa, Tabqa, Manbij, and Deir Ez-Zor. The region gained its de facto autonomy in 2012 in the context of the ongoing Rojava conflict and the wider Syrian civil war, in which its official military force, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), has taken part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autono...nd_East_Syria#

Rojava is and will be supported by the West this region has majority of the oil of Syria do not think the US that on the moment protect those wells military retreat from Rojava this region has more than 10 years a Democratic administration this is stable the only trustworthy and stable region in Syria. A system of popularly elected administrative councils, allowing local communities to exercise autonomous control over their assets, while linking to other communities via a network of confederal councils. Decisions are made by communes in each neighborhood, village, or city. All are welcome to partake in the communal councils, but political participation is not mandated. Anybody saying they are not ... are misinformed! Rojava is open towards other political groups, religions and factions. It is flexible, multicultural, anti-monopolistic and consensus-oriented. Ecology and feminism are central pillars!

The Women's Protection Units or Women's Defense Units is an all-female militia. The YPJ is part of the Syrian Democratic Forces, the armed forces of Rojava, and is closely affiliated with the male-led YPG. While the YPJ is mainly made up of Kurds, it also includes women from other ethnic groups in Northern Syria. These women and men have successfully fought ISIS with the air support of NATO. Israel's new foreign minister has said his country should reach out to Kurds and other regional minorities that are "natural" allies.

Originally Posted by Gideon Saar

The Kurdish people are a great nation, one of the great nations without political independence. It is a national minority in four different countries, in two of which it enjoys autonomy: de facto in Syria and de jure in the Iraqi constitution. Victim of oppression and aggression from Iran and Turkey, and Israel needs to strenghten ties to them. This has both political and security aspects.

“The attacks on the Kurds, as we saw yesterday in Manbij, must stop!” Sa’ar said. “There must be a commitment and actions by the international community to protect the Kurds, who fought bravely against ISIS. We have spoken with the U.S. administration and other countries on this matter.” Sa’ar’s calls for aiding the Kurds were echoed by former Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, who posted a message on ��, saying, “Israel must convince the US not to abandon the Kurds.”

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Russioans will not give their bases up silently. Peskov already announced they want to negotiate their status with any follow-up government there may be. This gives the Syrians a very tempting opportunity to drive the costs up and squeeze quite some out of Russia, if they jump over their shadow and consider the Russian request. Its not clear to nom what the new current leader values higher: to itch the West by allowing the Russians to stay and make " fortune" from this, or to appease the West by not allowing and by that maybe inviting Western instead of Russian support. None of the possible outcomes I would call "obvious" at this time.

Several Russian Navy ships have left the Syrian port of Tartus. This was reported by Reuters news agency on the basis of satellite images from Planet Labs. These show three Russian ships anchored about 13 kilometers from the coast. Russia has not yet responded to the ships' departure or explained the motivation for their departure. According to Syrian Prime Minister Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali, the new Syrian rulers must decide what to do with the Russian presence in the country. The still some seven thousand Russian military personnel in Syria are in the highest state of readiness.

[Gorpet]

Will the

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Russioans will not give their bases up silently. Peskov already announced they want to negotiate their status with any follow-up government there may be. This gives the Syrians a very tempting opportunity to drive the costs up and squeeze quite some out of Russia, if they jump over their shadow and consider the Russian request. Its not clear to nom what the new current leader values higher: to itch the West by allowing the Russians to stay and make " fortune" from this, or to appease the West by not allowing and by that maybe inviting Western instead of Russian support. None of the possible outcomes I would call "obvious" at this time.

Well, I think all of the"Brain Pans"of NATO, Are squiggling, and asking themselves. Oh, how can we use this to our advantage? There is none. NATO and all of it's, wealthiest are playing a poker game, based on wokesim,The new Ideology and it will light the fires across this planet.The bitches of destruction never sleep.And they remerge,if you give them power and they can find wealth. Well you end up with the EU,NATO and War.

Will the United States, give up their naval base in Cuba ? Oh but no.Democracy is a fiction,that does not exist, only in the hivemind can it survive.In reality it's chaos.

[Exocet25fr]