US Politics Thread 2021-24

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It also looks like Trump will now allow FBI background checks of his cabinet stooges, or clay pigeons as things appear.

The current stooges are packing their belongings as well speak.

[Catfish]

If anyone wants to know what Trump is about, watch High Noon.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

If anyone wants to know what Trump is about, watch High Noon.

Yeah Gary Cooper does kinda look like Trump now that you mention it.

[Catfish]

^ I meant something else, but ok

[mapuc]

The deliberations so far are largely at the level of White House lawyers. But Biden himself has discussed the topic with some senior aides, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity Thursday to discuss the sensitive subject. No decisions have been made, the people said, and it is possible Biden opts to do nothing at all.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-par...cbfddfaf326f20

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

https://apnews.com/article/biden-par...cbfddfaf326f20

Markus

Smart move.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Dargo

That's funny, in 2000 Mikhail Gorbachev was critical of how the US had expanded NATO right up to Russia's borders despite their initial assurances that they would not do so, citing that the US government could not be trusted. On 9 February 1990 in a phone conversation with James Baker, then the US secretary of state, he set out his position that "a broadening of the NATO zone after german reunification is not acceptable" to which Baker agreed.

Hey you know how history goes in the United States just like in the book 1984.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

That's funny, in 2000 Mikhail Gorbachev was critical of how the US had expanded NATO right up to Russia's borders despite their initial assurances that they would not do so, citing that the US government could not be trusted. On 9 February 1990 in a phone conversation with James Baker, then the US secretary of state, he set out his position that "a broadening of the NATO zone after german reunification is not acceptable" to which Baker agreed.

Hey you know how history goes in the United States just like in the book 1984.

The myth that there was a promise by Western leaders not to allow new members to join has been circulating for many years, and is actively used in disinformation campaigns by the Kremlin since the start of the Russian war against Ukraine. While records show that in the initial stages of discussions about German reunification, US Secretary of State James Baker and his West German counterpart, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, floated such an idea with each other and with Soviet leaders in 1990, but diplomatic negotiations quickly moved on and the idea was dropped.

NATO’s founding treaty – signed in 1949 by the 12 original members and by every country that has joined since – includes a clear provision that opens NATO’s door to “any other European state in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.” This has never changed. No treaty signed by NATO Allies and Russia ever included provisions that NATO cannot take on new members. Decisions on NATO membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. Describing NATO’s open door policy as “expansion” is already part of the myth. NATO did not seek out new members or aim to “expand eastward.” NATO respects every nation’s right to choose its own path. NATO membership is a decision first for those countries that wish to join. It is then for NATO Allies to consider the application.

NATO is not at war with Russia and is not party to the war Russia is waging on Ukraine. NATO supports Ukraine in its right to self-defence, as enshrined in the UN Charter. NATO do not seek confrontation with Russia. In response to Russia's aggressive actions, NATO continue to strengthen their deterrence and defence to make sure there is no room for misunderstanding that NATO is ready to protect and defend every Ally. NATO is a defensive Alliance. NATO core task is to keep our nations safe.

PS The book 1984 is written after the spanich civil war 1936-1939 where Orwell fought in with the POUM the whole book is about the soviet Stalin system and the coming of fascist Europe powers. You clearly did not really read it and belief the 2+2=5. In 1931, the artist Yakov Guminer supported Stalin's shortened production schedule for the economy of the Soviet Union with a propaganda poster that announced the "Arithmetic of an Alternative Plan: 2 + 2 plus the Enthusiasm of the Workers = 5" after Stalin's announcement, in 1930, that the first five-year plan (1928–1933) instead would be completed in 1932, in four years' time. In addressing Nazi anti-intellectualism, Orwell's reference might have been Hermann Göring's hyperbolic praise of Adolf Hitler: "If the Führer wants it, two and two makes five!"

Originally Posted by George Orwell

In the end, the Party (Nazi/Soviet) would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then

Note: Orwell speaks were you suffer from when you belief 1984 as it is you are ready for 2+2=5.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Have USA ever been real a isolationist like North Korea ?

They may withdraw troops from abroad as a part of its isolationism, however I foresee troops in South Korea, Taiwan and in Europe in the near future, due to crisis on the Korean peninsula and in the Taiwan strait. Not to forget crisis in Eastern Europe

Which lead to the question: Could USA really be 100 % isolationist ? With all the military agreement they have with Taiwan, South Korea and NATO.

Markus

I would say with all the nuclear weapons the United States has. Our country could isolate from the politics of of Europe and Southeast Asia The Middle East. Being the "Watchmen" of the Planet has made our country unhealthy.That's not to say we stick our heads in the ground.But our country needs to get healthy again. And to do so is going to take some looking inward as a people and a society who are we ? Will our society be All Americans or are we going to be fractured with identities and cultures. If it is identities and cultures.This country doesn't need Nuclear Weapons. And as far as military agreements go the less you have, the less and the smaller wars you have. And that's good for humanity and the Planet.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Dargo

The myth that there was a promise by Western leaders not to allow new members to join has been circulating for many years, and is actively used in disinformation campaigns by the Kremlin since the start of the Russian war against Ukraine. While records show that in the initial stages of discussions about German reunification, US Secretary of State James Baker and his West German counterpart, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, floated such an idea with each other and with Soviet leaders in 1990, but diplomatic negotiations quickly moved on and the idea was dropped.

NATO’s founding treaty – signed in 1949 by the 12 original members and by every country that has joined since – includes a clear provision that opens NATO’s door to “any other European state in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.” This has never changed. No treaty signed by NATO Allies and Russia ever included provisions that NATO cannot take on new members. Decisions on NATO membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. Describing NATO’s open door policy as “expansion” is already part of the myth. NATO did not seek out new members or aim to “expand eastward.” NATO respects every nation’s right to choose its own path. NATO membership is a decision first for those countries that wish to join. It is then for NATO Allies to consider the application.

NATO is not at war with Russia and is not party to the war Russia is waging on Ukraine. NATO supports Ukraine in its right to self-defence, as enshrined in the UN Charter. NATO do not seek confrontation with Russia. In response to Russia's aggressive actions, NATO continue to strengthen their deterrence and defence to make sure there is no room for misunderstanding that NATO is ready to protect and defend every Ally. NATO is a defensive Alliance. NATO core task is to keep our nations safe.

PS The book 1984 is written after the spanich civil war 1936-1939 where Orwell fought in with the POUM the whole book is about the soviet Stalin system and the coming of fascist Europe powers. You clearly did not really read it and belief the 2+2=5. In 1931, the artist Yakov Guminer supported Stalin's shortened production schedule for the economy of the Soviet Union with a propaganda poster that announced the "Arithmetic of an Alternative Plan: 2 + 2 plus the Enthusiasm of the Workers = 5" after Stalin's announcement, in 1930, that the first five-year plan (1928–1933) instead would be completed in 1932, in four years' time. In addressing Nazi anti-intellectualism, Orwell's reference might have been Hermann Göring's hyperbolic praise of Adolf Hitler: "If the Führer wants it, two and two makes five!"
Note: Orwell speaks were you suffer from when you belief 1984 as it is you are ready for 2+2=5.

The American Democrat party wants you to believe 2+2 = 5 Today, ...Your dragging up paragraphs from a book.That Yale,Harvard,Princeton and other University professors will recommend, just for the Arithmetic. But clearly the American youth don't give a **** about Ukraine and their cause.And the Democrats and their "Führer" They are overjoyous they didn't get sent Ukraine. But hey after Christmas and winter, they will put on their black hoodies and be in the streets' looting,burning,mugging and still be thankful. Joey is gone.And it's good.Until life and the real world grows them up.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

The American Democrat party wants you to believe 2+2 = 5 Today, ...Your dragging up paragraphs from a book.That Yale,Harvard,Princeton and other University professors will recommend, just for the Arithmetic. But clearly the American youth don't give a **** about Ukraine and their cause.And the Democrats and their "Führer" They are overjoyous they didn't get sent Ukraine. But hey after Christmas and winter, they will put on their black hoodies and be in the streets' looting,burning,mugging and still be thankful. Joey is gone.And it's good.Until life and the real world grows them up.

You won stop whining, you really are sour winners, get a life!

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by August

I don't know about all that globalist crap you're spouting here but "resource hungry" is absolutely an accurate description of the modern day Russian regime. Their oligarchs have already carved up those captured Ukrainian provinces and the gas and minerals they sit on and they have plans for the rest of it.

It's not the only description of Russia though. "Empire Hungry" also describes them. They want to rebuild the Russian Empire, which at one point stretched between the Elbe River and the Rocky Mountains. Ukraine and Georgia are now being swallowed but every country in the way have good reason to worry, and every right to join a mutual defense organization like NATO, to keep the Russian bear from eating them next.

We are absolutely right to equip and arm the Ukrainians fighting for their national survival and to drive the Russians from their country, and we should give them much more than we have so far, because if we don't stop the Russians westward expansion there we'll be stopping it in Poland and the Baltics with American blood, not just bullets.

You don't think NATO and its allies would not benefit from having access to Russia ? The Ukraines started the war right. If they didn't have American and NATO backing.Would there be a war ? no..Tell me where NATO hasn't started a war and the Russians have since their retreat from Afghanistan ? You know why these countries want to join NATO. The Nuclear Umbrella that America will not use. But it gives all NATO countries free use of the American People's tax Dollars,for their elite to level up and join the country club. Just look at the Notre Dame Cathedral reopening. Where the everyday people can't attend ? It's a Holy place for the Elite. And their so disgusting with all their smooching and hugging and picture taking.It makes common sense people wonder why are they there...Politicians have no religious beliefs. Why desecrate a holy place with their presence ? As Zelensky sets there.In his army jacket while his Country and the people who voted for him are being destroyed.Did he come looking for a spiritual forgiveness or "Hey don't forget whose country is dying for your version Democracy" You Bastards! well August i guess we will find out next year. Merry Christmas, and i know you can't say that in America today but i will.

[Dargo]

^Nah, that does not work like this, you as troll need to name a war that NATO has invaded a sovereign nation but only when it is feeding time sorry that you missed your window.

Sheep often mistake themselves for shepherds, unaware of the strings guiding them

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Dargo

^Nah, that does not work like this, you as troll need to name a war that NATO has invaded a sovereign nation but only when it is feeding time sorry that you missed your window.

Ah,now your age is showing.Sometimes a bump by the elbow can turn the coffee cup over.

[ET2SN]