US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Jeff-Groves]

Are you suggesting something like "Citizenship" as done in StarShip Troopers?
And I do mean the book. The movies are good but the book is more detailed about "Citizenship".

[Otto Harkaman]

All eyes are on us, the American people, standing together at a critical crossroads for our nation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Democracy needs some better parameters

starting at 12:37

This is no joke. My wife's cousin did not know Joe dropped out. She went to vote and did not see Biden on the ballot. Totally clueless. Sad really.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Are you suggesting something like "Citizenship" as done in StarShip Troopers?
And I do mean the book. The movies are good but the book is more detailed about "Citizenship".

I know the movie, but I did not had exactly that on mind when tpying the above. I was just about the ancient Greek for sure. Their democracy and our modern idea of democracy are lightyears apart. The point is, the original democracy is - feudalism, whereas today we think of democracy as sort of the "antidot" to feudalism.

[Jeff-Groves]

The book explains other ways to earn "Citizenship" without doing Military service.

The concept is interesting and has merit. I could see the problems trying to get that invoked!
Heck. People that don't want to pay back Student Loans would burn the Country to the ground!

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

OMG...

or ?

I use to say that political parties should be prohibited and only individual representatives should be voted for. Becasue prties put themsloeves before the interest of the people and state reason, as we currently see in Germany, in an especially terrible exmaple.

Maybe voters wanting to elect somebody also should be forbidden.

After all, democracy in ancient Greece was a feudal government form. Only citizens - free, rich males with the right and wealth to carry arms - were allowed to participate: servants, women, slaves were banned from any polticial and administrative participation. But even these free rich males carrying arms hat to further qualify for riasing their voice in the assemblies: thery had to prove loyalty to religion and culture, and that they honoured traditions and their father and mother and forefathers. Witnesses had to confirm it.

But every run-of-the-mill person who has no idea about anything...? Some say voting is a democratic automatic right. I say it should be a right that must be earned, and qualification must be demonstrated. Thats the basic idea behind the ancient Greek concept. Of course - even that could be (and was) abused.

So you think Trump is elected by the dumb and poor that assumption is false, it was the middle class that made the vote for Trump. They are basically disappointed by both parties for years and did an F you to the system. Preferring an authoritarian system above democratic system, I would suggest move to it, you will be back soon. If the grass is greener there just go do not stay to biaach.

[Jeff-Groves]

I just LOVE how you non-Americans buy into the BS about Trump 'Gonna rule like Hitler'.
I figure you think it's OK for the other Party to Weaponize the Justice system for their wants and needs. That's part of why they are on the ropes this election!


And us Middle Class don't want your type anyways! We are also sick and tired of bailing your arses out of trouble!
Let Europe burn if that is what You and your fellow Country Men want. I don't want to pay to build you all back up again.

[Dargo]

It is you that repeat this rhetoric, I couldn't care who you vote in office, it has no influence on my life.

[vanjast]

This is the last US Coporation (Washing DC, Capitol Hill) election.
donald is the 17th pres of the United States Republic, and the final pres of this fraudulent US Capitol Hill Coporation.

I'm sure he will file for bankruptcy (it is bankrupt) of this US corp, then shut it down, then move over to the US Rep.

Soon we will see arrests, tribunals (and hopefully executions) of the swamp members, on TV... actually this lot were done in years ago (AMG-News). Maybe a military lockdown/curfew

The loons still don't realise that we're watching the 'Truman Show'.

btw... donald was always going to win.. it was scripted just as his win in 2016, 'bidens' win in 2020.. etc.

[Jeff-Groves]

You mean 47th President?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dargo

So you think Trump is elected by the dumb and poor that assumption is false, it was the middle class that made the vote for Trump. They are basically disappointed by both parties for years and did an F you to the system. Preferring an authoritarian system above democratic system, I would suggest move to it, you will be back soon. If the grass is greener there just go do not stay to biaach.

It is a bit more than that IMO. The woke agenda nonsense has to go. More time, money and effort has been spent on woke DEI crap then I care to count. People get tired of being put in box and labeled. Something the democrats like to do. Then throw in identity politics. It gets very tiresome. Well over half of the voting public made their voice heard. For some reason the DNC and related media in their pocket are completely imploding. A democrat without power is hilarious. A democrat in power is dangerous. Rush Limbaugh.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I just LOVE how you non-Americans buy into the BS about Trump 'Gonna rule like Hitler'.
I figure you think it's OK for the other Party to Weaponize the Justice system for their wants and needs. That's part of why they are on the ropes this election!


And us Middle Class don't want your type anyways! We are also sick and tired of bailing your arses out of trouble!
Let Europe burn if that is what You and your fellow Country Men want. I don't want to pay to build you all back up again.

Jeff, we heard this all before in 2016. The media vomited the same crap again. People wised up. The like of Joe Scarborough and his silly azz Morning Joe program need to go. That guy lies like a rug. People are seeing through the smoke and mirrors. The popular vote went to Trump. That should tell us everything we need to know.

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah. I usually just laugh at the posts in this thread and stay out.
I figure those Your-a-peeins are just mad that handouts are gonna stop!
Then they may actually have to defend themselves.

How many of those that post in this thread ACTUALLY did any time in Service to thier Country?

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Yeah. I usually just laugh at the posts in this thread and stay out.
I figure those Your-a-peeins are just mad that handouts are gonna stop!
Then they may actually have to defend themselves.

How many of those that post in this thread ACTUALLY did any time in Service to thier Country?

I wonder why this should be of any relevance.


And (before you ask) yes, I did my basic service as a conscript in the Bundeswehr in the early 1990s. Not that it did me any good, with most of the Gefreite and Unteroffiziere being easily outsmarted by five meters of dirt road.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

OMG...

or ?

But every run-of-the-mill person who has no idea about anything...? Some say voting is a democratic automatic right. I say it should be a right that must be earned, and qualification must be demonstrated. Thats the basic idea behind the ancient Greek concept. Of course - even that could be (and was) abused.

Yeah, that's my thinking. I do not believe that every breathing person should be entitled to vote. There should be some kind of qualification: served in the military, pays income tax, knows how many states there are... something. It's stupid to let welfare lifers, criminals, non-citizens, and imbeciles pick our leaders.