Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Dargo]

Ukrainian F-16 reportedly shoots down second Russian Su-34

Reports from Russian military bloggers and aviation sources suggest that a Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber was downed under mysterious circumstances early this morning. Russian sources close to the Air Force, including well-known aviator Ilya Tumanov, have acknowledged the loss, with messages such as “Eternal memory, brothers!” indicating that the aircraft’s crew did not survive.

This incident marks the second recent loss of a Russian Su-34, following an alleged shootdown by a Ukrainian F-16 on October 12 under similar circumstances. Although there has been no official confirmation or denial from either Russia or Ukraine regarding the nature of today’s incident, some sources are attributing the latest downing to an engagement with a Ukrainian F-16. The reports suggest that Ukrainian fighter jets may be increasingly asserting their presence in contested airspace as the conflict escalates... https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-f...russian-su-34/

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

If Russia "acchieves nothing", then Ukraine could freeze the war now, accept its territorial losses since they are nothing, and end the war for the time being by accepting Russia's demands. Lets do it, since Russia has not acchieved anything anyway.


Its propaganda videos, and that fact could even be ignored - if such stuff would not serve a self-assuring purpose in the West to replace needed action and supportive assistance with just emotional cheers. "All is going well. We must not change or add to our doing, Ukraine will win this all by itself."



Nothing is going well. Ukraine loses. Its retreats mostly are not tactical intention but they are enforced by Russian battlefield superiority. Ukraine's defeats are defeats, not clever traps it sets up. For its Kursk adventure it paid a terrible price in Donezk. And I said from beginning on that I was not convinced by the claimed wisdom in it. Kursk is strategically irrelevant for Russia, its just a an itching in its national pride. While Kursk happend, Russia conquered twice a smuch territory in Donezk - and that is very very strategically and economically relevant for Ukraine's war present and industry future.


Nothing is going well. Only a fool cannot see it.


We all, the whole West, fails in this. Ukraine pays the price now. We will pay the price later.

[Jimbuna]

After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals during the war against Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, this is stated in a column by US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin for Foreign Affairs.

Austin emphasized that Ukraine is important to US security for obvious reasons: " Putin 's war is a direct threat to European security, a clear challenge to our NATO allies, an assault on our shared values, and a frontal assault on the rules-based international order that keeps us all safe."

"However, after almost 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals. The President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy did not run away. Kyiv did not fall. And Ukraine did not surrender.

Instead, Russia has paid a staggering price for Putin's imperial stupidity: hundreds of thousands of Russians have died since February 2022, and more than $200 billion has been wasted," Austin emphasized.

He also notes that according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Russia's losses in the first year of Putin's war alone were greater than its losses in all conflicts after World War II.

"Ukraine has suffered terribly at the hands of Putin. But, as I saw again in Kyiv last week, Ukraine is standing firm - and even stronger. The Ukrainian struggle began with soldiers setting tank traps in the streets of Kyiv and ordinary citizens making Molotov cocktails to defend their homes. It continues today with a battle-tested Ukrainian military and security forces - and a rapidly expanding Ukrainian defense industry. Today, Ukrainian factories are producing some of the best drones in the world, and experienced Ukrainian air defense forces are protecting their troops and families," the US Secretary of Defense added.

In addition, Austin emphasized that "Ukraine's spirit has inspired the world."

"It reminded us all to never take our freedom for granted. We are well aware of the moral gap between the aggressor and the defender. We will not succumb to the deception and lies of the Kremlin's apologists. And we will continue to defend the right of the Ukrainian people to live in safety and freedom," Austin added.

According to him, Putin's attack is a warning: "a demonstration of a world built by tyrants and thugs - a chaotic, violent world divided into spheres of influence; a world where bullies can trample on their smaller neighbors; and a world where aggressors force free people to live in fear."

"So, we stand at a turning point in history. We can continue to stand firm against Putin's aggression - or we can let Putin do whatever he wants and condemn our children and grandchildren to live in a much bloodier and more dangerous world. If Ukraine falls under Putin's boot, the whole of Europe will fall under Putin's shadow," the minister emphasized.

Austin is convinced that it is necessary to confront aggressive Russia, which is supported by other autocrats, from North Korea to Iran.

"Peace does not work by itself. Order will not preserve itself. And the principles of freedom, sovereignty, and human rights are not supported by themselves. That's why US President Joe Biden chose the path of mutual responsibility and shared security. Ukraine does not belong to Putin. Ukraine belongs to the Ukrainian people. And Moscow will never win in Ukraine. Putin thought that Ukraine would surrender. He was wrong. Putin thought that our democracies would give up. He was wrong. Putin thought that the free world would retreat. He was wrong. And Putin thinks he will win. He is wrong," Austin summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518086

[mapuc]

How I see it. Russia hasn't archive anything they haven't reached their goal they had put up.

They have the momentum on the Eastern frontline and in Southeast frontline.
Are the Ukrainians withdrawing under control ?

Some claim Ukraine have success in Kursk, while others say they are losing ground. Can't say what's true here.

Ukraine do lack troops. The mercenary and the volunteers are not enough to fill the need for the Ukrainian army. Still they are doing somewhat fine, despite this.

Will the situation turn in the Ukrainian favour ? Some say Winter should give them a golden chance, since the Russian isn't fit for fighting in the winter. Even here I don't know what is right here.

Markus

[Catfish]

The former 10,000 north korean soldiers are now 15,000. A lot of them do not fight in Ukraine, but are in Belarus.
So there will be most probably a second front against Kyev, from the north. Short after the US election would be a perfect date.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The former 10,000 north korean soldiers are now 15,000. A lot of them do not fight in Ukraine, but are in Belarus.
So there will be most probably a second front against Kyev, from the north. Short after the US election would be a perfect date.

Are they fighting in Ukraine or in Kursk ? It is a huge different

Markus

[Catfish]

^ I cannot know this for sure.
What I know is that north koreans attacking Ukraine from Belarus are a threat.

Maybe time for the west to counter-escalate. Up to now Putin has done what he wants. Not that I expect much, especially after the Putin Trump-Musk team winning the election.

OT on one hand I even wish that the Putin team Trump-Musk 'wins', this will soon weaken the US and thus force some americans to open their eyes, while forcing Europe to engage Russia themselves.
Sometimes it has to get worse before it can become better.

Back to topic: How will we react when (not if!) north korean troops attack Kyiv from Belarus?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ I cannot know this for sure.
What I know is that north koreans attacking Ukraine from Belarus are a threat.

Maybe time for the west to counter-escalate. Up to now Putin has done what he wants. Not that I expect much, especially after the Putin Trump-Musk team winning the election.

OT on one hand I even wish that the Putin team Trump-Musk 'wins', this will soon weaken the US and thus force some americans to open their eyes, while forcing Europe to engage Russia themselves.
Sometimes it has to get worse before it can become better.

Back to topic: How will we react when (not if!) north korean troops attack Kyiv from Belarus?

With strong words nothing else when Belarusian and North Korean attack Ukraine from north.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin

Bla bla bla.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some claim Ukraine have success in Kursk, while others say they are losing ground. Can't say what's true here.

September 10th:




September 20th:




Novembre 2nd:



Also, Ukrainian losses. we dont know for sure how high they are, but witnesses in the field told reporters anecdotes and say they were very high on Russian side, but also on Ukrainian side. And for what...??? They wnated to distract Russian forces in Donezk, but this gamble has failed, Russia not only did not shift forces to the extend Ukriane hoped they would, but Russia has reinforced Kursk AND mounted more pressure on Donezk and increased the pace at which it takes territory in Donezk and Donbass - now taking new groudn faster than ever before, I posted an illustration some posts agao.

Whatever the Ukrainians had on mind in their despair - their Kursk plan has failed. Now there they sit in the middle of nowhere with territory that has no tactical or strategical or political value, and take high losses. No wonder that they changed language and pave the way for pulling out from there. We have as German proverb for such a mess: "Außer Spesen nichts gewesen."

Even worse, as Catfish pointed out, the region could, if Russia drives them out by force or follows their retreat in hot pursuit, become the launch pad for a drive deep into Ukraine and threatening the whole Sumy oblast, who knows what could develope from that. Ukraine has practically no strong mobile reserves anymore to react to that in force. Their plan to recruit another 160,000 will not show effects until months away. If they can realise it, that is.

[mapuc]

^ Thank you-Well these maps are truly showing Ukraine is losing grounds in Kursk.

Markus

[vanjast]

"After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin"

So naive.. The goal of Uki and now IsRaEl is to distract you from the real action.
The Uki and IsRaEl goals were achieved long before these battles began.. what you're seeing/have seen are movie shows, some real , 90% CGI (made up)

OMG.. so many gullible idiots we see.
Don't delete this my post, as it is needed as proof in about 5 years time.

[Jimbuna]

DPRK troops in war against Ukraine will almost certainly face difficulties of interoperability with Russian forces, - British intelligence

About 10,000 North Korean military personnel are in Russia. It is almost certain that some of them have already been deployed to the Kursk region. However, they are likely to face a number of difficulties, including interoperability with Russian forces.

This is stated in the intelligence report of the UK Ministry of Defense, Censor.NET reports.

As noted, Russia and the DPRK have committed to deepening their bilateral partnership through the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement, which contains provisions for mutual defense.

"For Russia, military support for the DPRK in its war against Ukraine was likely the main driving force behind the partnership, and until now it has been centered around supplying weapons to North Korea. Instead, the DPRK received high-level international support from Russia and found a trading partner willing to violate sanctions," the report says.

British intelligence notes that the forces of the Russian Federation and the DPRK will almost certainly face interoperability difficulties, as they have not previously conducted joint military exercises.

"DPRK troops participating in combat operations will almost certainly have problems using Russian equipment, integrating into the Russian command and control structure, and overcoming the language barrier with Russian troops," the intelligence added.

Participation of DPRK troops in Russia's war against Ukraine
Earlier, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte confirmed Russia's involvement of North Korean soldiers in the war against Ukraine.

On October 25, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that, according to intelligence, the first North Korean military would be used by Russia in combat zones on October 27-28.

On October 28, the Pentagon announced that the DPRK had sent about 10,000 of its military to Russia for training and further participation in hostilities against Ukraine, which would take place over the next "few weeks."

The Pentagon said that Ukrainian troops could use the American weapons provided to them against the North Korean military if the DPRK enters the war against Ukraine on the side of Russia.

Pentagon spokesman Pat Ryder said that approximately several thousand North Korean soldiers have already deployed to the Kursk region of Russia. A smaller number of them are already in the Kursk region. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518176