GER politics thread

[mapuc]

@ Dargo

Two things comes into my mind reading your two latest comment.

1. Not everyone of these Cirka 35 % and the hidden supporters of AfD, are Neonazis-Of course there are some percentage who is or support Nazism in the party or supporting the party.

2. clap clap bravo-If you knew how right you are. You could say that the right wing voters are the most naive voters-They swallow everything their beloved party promiss them. I have throughout the years been following some right wing parties and their supporters here in Denmark-So you are right when you wrote:

"Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it."

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

@ Dargo

Two things comes into my mind reading your two latest comment.

1. Not everyone of these Cirka 35 % and the hidden supporters of AfD, are Neonazis-Of course there are some percentage who is or support Nazism in the party or supporting the party.

2. clap clap bravo-If you knew how right you are. You could say that the right wing voters are the most naive voters-They swallow everything their beloved party promiss them. I have throughout the years been following some right wing parties and their supporters here in Denmark-So you are right when you wrote:

"Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it."

Markus

1. I am not saying the voters on the AfD are Nazis, they believe the wolf in sheep's clothing like they did before WWII.
2. I would go further than naive, I call it stupid if you vote the liars over and over in power never believe the election programs always verify their past deeds and treat every political promise a lie.

[Skybird]

I never said we should not let migrants in. What I say is that if you refuse to chose yourself, if you refuse to define the criterions by which you decide whom you let in (into your home, that is), and whom not, then you lose control over migration, and end up with what the left even deliberately want and dmand: totally undiscriminatory mass migration.



We let in too many we have no use for and who are net migrants into our social systems, they cost us more than they and the generation of their children and chikdren's children will attribute, ever. We in Germany do too little to steer and control migration, and choosing those whom we have need for. And those we let in, for them we make it as difficult as possible to fit in and be allowed to work. Thats why we have seen several "flushes" of migrants from a given single place, and after three, four years they mostly have voluntarily left again. Indians in Germany on my mind, there was hope they would ease our need for IT specialists. A few came, felt to not be welcomed, aldso were angry for the high taxes and madatory fees they had to pay, and they left again. Nobody speaks of Indian IT specialists in Germany anymore.



Instead we import the miserable and incapable, the uneducated and the outcasts in their own home places , and these we let in by numbers like a body tsunamy. Worse, we do not deport those who break our laws, who kill, rape, plunder and assault. We shy away from enforcing our laws and our order, af5raid ti be called racists if we would. The deportation quote we acchieve is PATHETIC, unexcusable. Its a bad joke.



It has been several times demonstrated by now that if you look at the cold hard numbers, the migration influx into Germany by netto value is a hige deficit for our social system stability, it costs us much, more more than these newcomers ever pay in. We have been lied to. At the same time the stability and integrity of the social system has not increased, but detoriated. Social peace is being actively destroyed. And so the natives turn angry. What wonder! How dare they...! They are not kind!



And maybe worst of it: like it or not, but peopel prefer to stay with their own kind, and the majority of Germans, the vast majority, does not want more and more streets, districts, towns, parts of Germany being turned into Africa or the Middle East. And these are such that partially not even the plcie dares ot enter such reigosn anymore, at least not if not going in with support by the hundreds.



Not only have we lost control - we actively do not want to get control. Because that would be considered to be "not nice". The Germans' biggest concern is to be seen as "not kind".



But the loss of control is everyhwere, not just in Germany. France is not in control of its Muslim migrant communities anynmore. The UK has tuned poltically insane as well over its Muslim migrants. The Swedes tried to stick their heads into the sand over their immense crime problems with Muslim migrants.


And we all do not have probelms with migrants in general. The migrants causing problems are always from the same places, are always of the same origin: they come from certainb oarts of Africa and the Midde East, and they are Muslim and have Islam in their suitcase. And where Islam is, the ugly hydra raises its many heads, and they become more and more. Brussle completely, completely ignores this. Admitting it would mean two things: that one is not nice and kind because one says how it is, and that one has messed things up and that chosen policies failed. But the EU does not fail. The EU is supreme, devine, superior and never erring. The EU is beyond failure. Its perfect superiority at work.



Seal the borders of Europe. Of course it can be done, wo says it cannot be done, lies. And then learn from how Australia and Canada, Japan and China do it.



Oh wait, that shall not be. It snot kind to do like them, becasue last but not least they implemnent force. Well, then live on with total loss of any control, and spiral into your doom, stupid Europe.

[Dargo]

Facts still does not support this, the people that you want to keep out still are the minority of the whole migration in Europe and all that doom and gloom is also not needed the rules, laws are there so implement them there is no need to go for more laws, rules to control migration every European country has them and can enforce them. No need to blame others just doit but that they really do not want else they already solved this symbolic crisis years ago same goes for any newcomer moment they come into power they will fail for the same reasons.

Swedish fact:
Sweden is on its way to the lowest asylum influx in almost 30 years. Since the corona years, the number of migrants seeking asylum has been increasing in many countries, but in Sweden it is the other way round. Many of the plans are still on the drawing board, but what the government has already done is to relax the rules on family reunification. Many newcomers who have been granted asylum cannot bring their families over until they are financially independent and have sufficient income and housing. 2015, the then social democratic government intervened sharply. Residence permits were made temporary and family reunification more difficult. While Sweden took in 14 per cent of the EU total of asylum seekers every year from 2010 to 2015, in 2016 it was only 2 per cent. Meanwhile, it is 1 per cent.

Originally Posted by Migration minister Maria Malmer Stenergard.

These are a series of interrelated measures. We have been very clear from day one that if you come here, you have to learn the language, be able to support yourself and respect Swedish values. We are also implementing stricter immigration laws. For instance, we have tightened the rules for family reunification and for obtaining Swedish citizenship. Thirdly, we are systematically tackling fraud and abuse and revoking residence permits if there are grounds for doing so. The latter is something that was not a priority for previous governments.

Stenergard also announced this month that Sweden is seeing more people leaving than coming in for the first time in 50 years. What plays into it is that the government is having the population register cleaned up, so many people who had already left are now registered as emigrants. But even without that correction, Sweden is heading for a negative migration balance this year. An unusual development in a country where two million residents were not born in Sweden. In addition to lower asylum inflows, there are also significantly fewer labour migrants. In November last year, the government doubled the minimum salary for work visas to 2,400 euros.

[Skybird]

And what has Sweden done in recent years...
They reversed their asylum and migration course of previous years. A step that the German government needs to do, but rejects to do. Practically all our neighbours have hardened their stanbce on border security and asylum and migration.



However, rapings, burglary, assaults, riots, knife crime committed by certain subgroups of migrants in Sweden (now wonder what subgroups that could be...) remains high. Swedish press in the recent two years repeatedly called it a loss of government and police control over the situation in parts of the bigger settlements in Sweden.



Dont expect Swedish politician to openly admit that.



Certain migrants subgroups mean troubles. But I never said anything different. I never said all migration means troubles. I always said: always the same certain subgroups meam troubles, while other subgroups, for example from Japan, Korea, India, or the US, the UK, Poland, Greece, Vietnam, Canada just fit in and cause no problems. A problem still can be the Balkan area that adds to the problem of clan crime that predominantly is in the hands of ME ethnicities. And clans from the southern-eastern European and Balkan area.



And if it were true that Muslim migration into Germany and Europe is a minority amongst all migration, then I wonder why almost all headlines on problems with migration always focus on these minority shares of total migration. They are hopelessly overrepresented. Either they are more than you are ready to admit, or they cause an awesome lots of troubles despite being a minoity.


Ah, I remember. Its the "Islamophobic bias". Now we know.




BTW, official federal German statistcs show that our uncontrolled migration influx is bigger than it was in the wake of Merkels desatrous deicison 2015. The situation is worse over here than it was 2015, 2016.

[mapuc]

The Swedish right wing party Sweden Democrats are just like our own right wing parties-Saying what their supporters want to hear.

Furthermore taking action now is to late Most of the European countries have reached point-of-no-return-status.

The voters have only them self to blame.

Markus

[Skybird]

Yes, Europe is done, and will degenerate more and more over the coming decades. And yes, its the people's own fault to let this being done to them, and in their name. You voted - you have no right to complain abotu what you got then. I can only hope that the EU will face a serious uprise sooner or later that will destroy it, but that might come too late. That the Euro will collapse sooner or later I am certain of.

We should, have left it to a defence union (NATO), and a freetrade zone (basically the old EEU - European Economic Union). The securing of the borders is one of the very very few issues were I am willing to talk about tolerating the existence of a state structure, or a supranational, international state structure. Where state/suprastate fails to provide this border protection, it fails to provide the most important single reason for its own existence. Their claim to the loyalty of the citizens is then forfeited.
But the post-German-reunification EU always wanted to become a continental supergovernment of centralist and planned-economy design, and an enforced artifical surrogate culture from the ideology lab to replace the historically grown identities of the many peoples/tribes in Europe. This power-hungry claim is where all evil of the EU is coming from. Its gotta be stopped and deleted, else we all must end.
A defence union. A free trade zone. Nothing more. Everything beyond that should and must be left to bilateral agreements between neighbouring countries. Good neighbours we shall be. Not an enforced Borg collective.
And hell, get rid of this stupid continental currency union. The damage it has done borders the damage done by wars. To Germany - and to all others. You cannot press so very different economies into the same scheme. Thats why practically all currency unions that were attempted (and they were attempted by the dozens) with much fewer members and more equal economnies nevertheless always have failed after short time. They failed although their starting conditions were, compared to the EU 25 years ago, much more positive.

[mapuc]

As I have mentioned a few times before I haven't voted since 2002. I came to the conclusion that the politicians are not to be trusted-Well this standpoint began a few years before that. So I have around 8-18 years of guilt for the situation we are in. I voted for the first time in - 85(I think it was)

Immigrant, refugees and foreigners-It's only the Muslim we having problem with.

And to make on thing clear-It's not every Muslim who behave badly. Maybe
3-5 % of them do.

Then we have a dark number in percentage, who want to exchange our law with sharia law.

Even now there's a discussion among the Politicians, expert on Islamic teaching and others whether the Danish law should be the one or if it should be part of the Sharia law which should decide if a woman have something to say in a divorce.

Markus

[Skybird]

In the city where I live, as of this week schools can only be supplied with vegan school meals. The catering service, which has to fulfill the contracts, refers to “official instructions” in this regard, which in their words it has to adhere to.



Frontal attack on the neurological and physical development of children and adolescents. I wonder whether the parents will make themselves heard. I hope this will not stand.


"Niemand hat die Absicht, Fleischessen zu verbieten." - Walter Ulbricht. Eh, wait, I seem to get something mixed up there....

[Shadowblade]

I see that it is wild out in Germany - 3rd explosion in 10 days in Cologne :

https://www-novinky-cz.translate.goo..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In the city where I live, as of this week schools can only be supplied with vegan school meals. The catering service, which has to fulfill the contracts, refers to “official instructions” in this regard, which in their words it has to adhere to.

I now learned why the authors of these "official instructions" want to enforce veganism in schools, it got reported in alternative media. And I couldn't believe my eyes when reading it.

They claim a correlation between meat consumption - and rightwing thinking.

Serious.

Correlation not only does not mean causation, this claim also ideologically and by anti-intellectual content ridiculous.

But of course it makes an awful lot of sense if somebody wants to ban meat consumption at any cost, no matter what.

The 7th Day Adventists claim raised sexual arousal if you eat meat, an increase of your libido. And they are even right with that, its a hormonal thing. Carnivores know that.

What comes next? Criminalising meat consumption because it turns people into rapists?

The stupidity in Germany is more than pandemic, its apparently already genetically inbred.

So diet makes Nazis. Okay, now we know. If only somebody would have given Hitler more chocolade when he still was small.




Edit:
P.S. Hitler was vegetarian, btw, although his guests were served both vegetarian and meat dishes. At least diet was something he was not fanatical about. By his exmaple however its clear now that vegetarians are fascists. Jail all vegetarians while there still is time!

[Shadowblade]

banning the meat - it sounds like the stuff from Demolition Man movie:

“In this future, smoking is not good for you, and anything that is not good for you has been deemed illegal: alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, chocolate, gasoline, un-educational toys, and anything spicy.”
- Lenina Huxley, Demolition Man, 1993

[mapuc]

This is a scary read what Skybird wrote in his latest two post.

Even here they are forcing people to eat lesser meat like beef. What they have done is to decrease the amount in each package. Before it was 500 or 1000 gr. now it's 400 or 800 gr.

Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Shadowblade

I see that it is wild out in Germany - 3rd explosion in 10 days in Cologne :

https://www-novinky-cz.translate.goo..._x_tr_pto=wapp

I say what happened in Essens is also unbelievable

A 41-year-old Syrian national wounded 31 people, including two children who were left in critical condition, in arson attacks on Saturday in the German city of Essen, according to police and media reports from Sunday morning.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-822321

These perpetrator or terrorist may come from different countries, nevertheless they have one common factor-Islam.

Markus

[Shadowblade]

yes, the Essen attack is insane. Different culture, different way to solve their problems.