GER politics thread

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

That's an understatement. Wagenknecht is nothing but empty shells of words thrown around on different media.

Nevertheless she went from nothing to 13.4 % in 10 month, so she must have reached some Germans.

Markus

[Skybird]

The parliament in Brandenburg has 88 seats. 44 seats now go to the AfD and the BSW, the one being right-lenaign, the other left-leanbing, but both have at least three things in common: both are against the mass migration policy currently in place, both are against aid for Ukraine and pro Russia, and both are extremely focussed on the lead personnel at the top of their hierarchies.



The Greens have lost over 20% of their young voters under 30. And they pathetically ask what is going on inside these younger people's heads. Both SPD and Greens say these young people y did not understand their policies well enough, because they both think that Germans are totally stupid. That the young ones run away right because they understand the results of these policies all too well and that they are the ones who are expected to pay for it - this does not come to the parties' minds.



In the future, we can expect to see a shift away formt he middle to the left and right wings of the pöotlical spectrum. Maybe next year after the naitonale leciton the big establishe doarties will be able once again to form a coalition for thmesleves, but I think it will be the last time they cna pull that stunt. What the CDU once stood for, the pathetic remains of that, will simply disappear, than Merkel'S prject to delete the CDU's positions from existence will finally be compeleted. It will not be able anymore to get majorities for itself, or have coalitions wher eit will not need to make dramatic left-leaning concessions. The CDU is just a carricature of its former and now dead self.



With 0.83% the FDP ranks even behind the Animal Protection Party.


The AfD has a blocking minority now in Turingia and Brandenburg. Everything that needs a two-third majority, they can block.

[Skybird]

[Focus] When will the government collapse? Resentment is growing in the FDP and more and more party members are calling for an end to the traffic light coalition. According to a media report, a specific date has already been set to initiate the end.

According to information from “Bild”, a concrete exit scenario, including a possible date, is already being discussed in the party's leadership committees - the focus is on November 14.

On this day, the traffic light coalition is to finalize the budget for 2025 in the so-called “adjustment meeting”. Two weeks later, the budget is scheduled to be passed by the Bundestag.

There is therefore a conviction among the leading Liberals: If the FDP really wants to leave the traffic light, this must happen before November 14, but by November 29 at the latest.

After the budget has been passed, an exit would no longer make sense, according to the thinking. Chancellor Olaf Scholz could then continue relatively easily with the Greens as a minority government and replace the FDP ministers with his own people. For the Liberals, it would be a loss of power - a nightmare scenario. The next federal election is not regularly scheduled until September 28, 2025.

Another point: if the FDP were to leave the government, its ministers would not be entitled to a pension, as the legislative period has not yet ended.


The FDP's withdrawal would therefore have to take place before the budget is adopted. Many Liberals hope that without a budget for 2025 and without the FDP, Scholz will not be able to continue governing for long. A red-green minority government would not have a majority for many projects.

The FDP hopes that there could be early elections. The next few weeks will be decisive. All eyes will be on possible conflicts in which the SPD and FDP in particular could be irreconcilably opposed to each other in order to find a comprehensible reason for leaving the coalition.

According to FDP circles, the greatest risk of explosion is in the areas of pensions, migration and the budget.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

[Focus] When will the government collapse? Resentment is growing in the FDP and more and more party members are calling for an end to the traffic light coalition. According to a media report, a specific date has already been set to initiate the end.

According to information from “Bild”, a concrete exit scenario, including a possible date, is already being discussed in the party's leadership committees - the focus is on November 14.

On this day, the traffic light coalition is to finalize the budget for 2025 in the so-called “adjustment meeting”. Two weeks later, the budget is scheduled to be passed by the Bundestag.

There is therefore a conviction among the leading Liberals: If the FDP really wants to leave the traffic light, this must happen before November 14, but by November 29 at the latest.

After the budget has been passed, an exit would no longer make sense, according to the thinking. Chancellor Olaf Scholz could then continue relatively easily with the Greens as a minority government and replace the FDP ministers with his own people. For the Liberals, it would be a loss of power - a nightmare scenario. The next federal election is not regularly scheduled until September 28, 2025.

Another point: if the FDP were to leave the government, its ministers would not be entitled to a pension, as the legislative period has not yet ended.


The FDP's withdrawal would therefore have to take place before the budget is adopted. Many Liberals hope that without a budget for 2025 and without the FDP, Scholz will not be able to continue governing for long. A red-green minority government would not have a majority for many projects.

The FDP hopes that there could be early elections. The next few weeks will be decisive. All eyes will be on possible conflicts in which the SPD and FDP in particular could be irreconcilably opposed to each other in order to find a comprehensible reason for leaving the coalition.

According to FDP circles, the greatest risk of explosion is in the areas of pensions, migration and the budget.

Have no worry and no fear,The Americans will give your government all the instructions they need to calm the situation.

[Skybird]

The leadership of the Green Party has resigned.

I think its the beginning of the end for the coalition government. The FDP will throw the coffin into the grave in Novembre.

The resignation of the dual leadership is probably primarily intended to protect the Green Minister for Economic Destruction and Energy Decadence Robert Habeck, who despite the misery of his disastrous record and his obvious economic incompetence is still seriously harboring dreams of becoming chancellor after the next elections. Which just goes to show how completely detached from reality the Greens are. Just replacing the faces of the leadership Lang/Nouripour - who are now downright hated by most Germans - will not be enough, because the party has no alternative world view to offer to its ideological rubbish, rather the youth wing in the party wants to go even more radically in the direction that resembles the abyss into which the Greens have plunged.


I dont wish to stop them. I wish them a an exciting free fall.

[Ostfriese]

Oh, look, the neo-fascist party that won a plurality in Thuringia behaves just like fascists. Only the stupid can be surprised...

[Skybird]

If the other parties would not have messed up so completely and make politics against the people and destroy the economic fundaments of Germany and wage war on Germany culture and identity, of said people not so many would have voted for AfD.

The AfD is destructive chaots, no illusions allowed to have on them. And thats why we deserve them. We should have refused the other parties' policies since many, many years earlier on.

Grab your popcorn, get your bottle of Baileys, lean back and enjoy the show. For the show will end like a Shakespearean play: everything broken, most actors dead. I'm looking forward to it.

For my own part, the AfD behaves exactly like I expect: causing destruction even if they ridicule themselves by doing it. Good. All other means to stop the left- and woke- and green-extreme political mainstream madness have failed, so now try the last desperate options left. It can hardly get any worse than it is. The scenes in the Turingia paliament today are hilarious. The destruction done by Habeck, Scholz, Merkel and their uber-mother EU are many times more destructive than today'S comedy.

It may also be part of the whole truth that the other parties in the Thuringian state parliament were not entirely innocent in the creation of today's smear comedy: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/meinun...schen-mitteln/

[Dargo]

Just saying. Ahum the Nazis were also a chaos party Hitler sad in the back let his gang war itself to do his bidding without ever giving an order, the holocaust worked like a train schedule because of the competition between the criminals.

[Skybird]

While there are no doubt Nazis in this party, its not a Nazi party, nor are the majority of its voters Nazis.

You see, I dont like them, in fact I dispise them. Problem for me - and many others - is we do not like the others, the left mainstream, any better. I dispise the left scum as much as I dispise the right scum. But the mainstream politicians have led us to where we are, and where we are is the desastrous result of 4 years of Schroeder (SPD), 16 years of Merkel (CDU), and 3 years traffic-light coalition (SPD, Greens, and a pseudoliberal vermiform appendix named FDP).

The damage these have accumulated over the past twenty years has destroyed Germany's hope to ever recover from its current fall. They have gambled away Germany's future, the future of the young.

Compared to that, the scenes of today from Thuringia are "peanuts".

I see no chance to reform the poltical system and the parties. They must be crushed, destroyed and replaced. The AfD currently seems to be the only sledge hammer avialable to get tis job done. Right because it is like it is, and is what it is. In a way I abuse them - as a wrecking ball. I certainly do not think a wrecking ball is intelligent. But it is hard and brutal. Its numb primitivity is its strength. Crash. Booom. Bang.

Mucking out the stable. Dont known what comes after that and whether that follow-on consequence would work for the better or worse. But I know that what we have now definitely is guaranteed to work out for the worst. So lets leave it behind at any cost. Better an unclear future that may work worse or better, than a guaranteed totally worst.

Again, I have no illusions about the AfD, they are not my heroes and I absolutely dispise them. I cannot stand any of their lead personnel at all. But they are the best enemy of my enemy, and so for the time being I absolutely refuse to stand in their way. I even hand them another sledge hammer if they break their own.

This might illustrate to you - and anyone else - how very very very much pissed by the situation in Germany - and in the EU - I am. Absolutely pissed like in "cannot be pissed any tiny quantity more". Else I would not tolerate such desperate attempts. Think of a wolf who stepped into a trap iron and bites his leg off to escape.


I think that a certain ammount of Americans voting for Trump do their reasoning for comparable cause (and causation). I often said I see Trump not as a cause, but a symptom. And I see the AfD also not as a cause, but a symptom. My attitude also is a symptom, because in a normal, a healthy situation I would never ever tolerate a political party, not to mention the AfD (or Trump). But we have reached desperate times.



Think of it as a last attempt of self-defence.

[Dargo]

Since 1949–present the Federal Republic of Germany had 35 years of CDU, 21 years of SPD, FDP 9 days rule so giving left the blame of it is not correct. The AFD will do worse, making them salonfähig is dangerous to many alter kamaraden "Alles für die Heimat, alles für Sachsen-Anhalt, alles für Deutschland!" was the slogan of the Sturmabteilung.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Since 1949–present the Federal Republic of Germany had 35 years of CDU, 21 years of SPD, FDP 9 days rule so giving left the blame of it is not correct. The AFD will do worse, making them salonfähig is dangerous to many alter kamaraden "Alles für die Heimat, alles für Sachsen-Anhalt, alles für Deutschland!" was the slogan of the Sturmabteilung.

Whoever was in charge from 1949 and forward, they have created a society which created parties like AfD and even far left parties. Or should I say the German voters have created a society in which AfD grow.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Whoever was in charge from 1949 and forward, they have created a society which created parties like AfD and even far left parties. Or should I say the German voters have created a society in which AfD grow.

Markus

The three main reasons for voting for the AfD are that they are concerned about immigration, that they have a certain apocalyptic grounding and fear that things are going wrong in the country and that they feel there is a political and intellectual elite (this time not der Jude, but we are not far from it with the AfD it is the same rhetoric different race) that has no regard for ordinary people. But differences between East and West Germany 30 years after the fall of the wall also play a role. In my view, these are simple "alte kameraden" certainly after reports leaked earlier this year about a secret meeting between AfD politicians and a delegation of neo-Nazis. There, they allegedly discussed mass deportations of immigrants, including German citizens after an AfD election win.

[Skybird]

To imply that a third of the voters in (SED-socialised) former GDR states are all Nazis, is absurd.


According to a poll, if there would be elections in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern now, the AFD would be strongest party there, too. All Nazis.



The youth organisation of the Greens also have stepped back now, their leadership, all of them. Whats more, they snapped and also leave the party, wanting to form a new ultra-left youth club and saying the Greens were not left enough for them.



Migration is out of control. I know Dargo claimed the opposite recently, but he is wrong. It is out of control in germany, and in Europe, the EU migration policy is also a total failure.



Knife crime and rapings are new national sports in Germany. They rose by factors and factors since 2015 and Merkel's ingenius unilateral decision to delcyre all borders open. And that is no exaggeration.



Ressentiments Westerners versus Easterners, Ossis gegen Wessis.


Massive economic decline. We are officially in a recession now. I say that since two years plus.



Decline of communal supply services: healthcare, public transportation. Soaring consumer prices, inflation.



Taxes and contributions for employees are ridiculously high, record-breakingly high, on average beyond 50% now they published some weeks ago. Purchasing power is falling despite wage increases. The pension system is imploding.

Steeply climbing energy prices. And an politically wanted mechanism to make sure they climb the steeper the more renewables get produced. How insane is that...?



A massive deindustrialization (always wn ated by the Greens...), high rate and still accelerating rate of insolvencies. Key actors and heavy weights of the German industry leaving the country. And as said, the numbers of insolvencies is on a record high, has just climbed again by 10% compared to the month last year. It goes like this since almost two years.



Public debt spiralling out of control, and Germany being demanded to burden the debts of other Euro-states. Germany shoulders Target-2-saldi worth over one trillion Euros. They now want the EU-wide debt-union so that France and Italy can let Germany pay for their financial mismanagement even more unscrupolously than already now.



Then the idiotic stillbirths of the woke-green-leftist agenda: gender gaga, enforced vegetarianism in companies and public services and schools and kindergardens, general accusation of being racist and islamophobic if not unconditionally surrendering to unlimited and unregulated mass migration policies from Africna and Muslim countries; being called a racist and hate criminal if insisting that Germany has its own culture and identiy and history; infantilism in the way politicians treat and lecture the population, like school teachers lecturing little kids; financial drama due to the Heizungsgesetz over here, threatening to ruin private households with steep six digit costs; the dud of e-mobility and the ban on traditional cars in 203x (will fall, I bet), and... and... and...


From November onwards, anyone who does not do a man who claims to be a woman and a woman who claims to be a man the favor of acknowledging this and socially locating and addressing them as desired, will be threatened with a high five-figure fine and imprisonment. In Germany, you can change your gender once a year at will and without any medical reasons (let alone genetic ones...).

If such a gang of completely stupid lunatics breaks out of the asylum and locks away all normal people as sick and criminals, then you also expect the victims of this state collapse to applaud the lunatics...????



The excessively increasing isolation of the rural areas. The drastic decline of the quality of school teaching. The erosion of the infrastructure. Overburdening bureaucratism. The joke of the nuclear energy policy.



Last but not least, the echoes of the criminal corona policies, and the revelations on the dramatic long term consequences of the jabs for health.


People have plenty of reasons to vote against the other parties and - in protest or not - for the AfD. Note that in the East, the successor to the GDR's SED party (Die Linke) plays almost no role anymore. Their voters all went to BSW or AfD.



That the AfD becomes "salonfähig" is a direct consequence of the extremely bad and underhanded policy-making of the past two decades, and since reunification.



I do not exaggerate, but Germany sees a decisive decline, is in free fall. Its economic success model does not work anymore. The demographic decline is dramatic. The pensions system is about to collapse, or to consume ever bigger ammounts of either debts - or payments by the young who will not much longer accept that, because they can not live with these burdens anymore. We have a massive brain drain of young, specialised and highly qualified families. And I do not see any chance that these things will be reversed. We are beyond the point of no return.


The hilarious EU policies and "green deals" and centralism and planned economy ideas will give us the rest.



Forget Germany. Its done. The bad news is: Forget the UK. Its done as well. Forget France. Its done, too. (...)

[Dargo]

Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it. What we see here is The Great Migration Lie. What explains the gap between rhetoric and reality? First of all, actual ‘grip on migration’ is a myth as long as we are in the European Union. More than half of immigrants are from the EU. And there is little we can do about that: within the EU, all residents are allowed to live, work and holiday anywhere without hassle, so you have no control over your borders. ‘Grip on migration’ is also invariably associated with asylum by right-wing politicians. But if you look at the figures, less than 13 per cent (in the Netherlands) were asylum seekers or post-travellers in the last 10 years. This is a small group. You can then introduce all sorts of Draconian measures for the stage, but it will only make a few per cent difference at most. Ultimately, our economy is the most powerful magnet for newcomers. A country like Hungary is much less popular with migrants, but the median income there is also four times lower.

The best way to combat migration is to destroy your economy.' But then again, that is not such a popular message if you want to win souls with an anti-immigration voice. So impotence is the first explanation for The Great Migration Lie. It is a sobering message to voters who don't like migrants: maybe high immigration is not something we can just contain. But besides impotence, it is also about unwillingness. In the UK, the 2016 Brexit referendum was largely about migration. A month before the referendum, Boris Johnson, then just quit as mayor of London and convinced Brexiteer, bellowed that there was ‘no support for the scale of immigration we are seeing’ and that the situation was ‘completely out of control’. Brexiteer Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making his country ‘unrecognisable’ and outlined a future where, after the Brexit, the UK could limit the migration balance (the number of new arrivals minus the number of departures) to between 30,000 and 40,000.

But what happened after the British, once freed from the European Union, were allowed to decide for themselves who did and did not cross the border? The migration balance only increased, to almost 700,000. By 2022, the balance was more than 100 per cent higher than in 2016, the year of the Brexit referendum. That has little to do with illegal boats crossing the Channel; in 2022, only 6 per cent of all immigrants entered the country that way. So perhaps the post-Brexit government has suddenly changed its thinking on migration? Well no, the Conservative Party, is still fiercer on migration than ever before. The truth is that the Conservative Party does not want to curb migration at all, because the country desperately needs foreign labour. Foreigners are more than welcome because they need to fill vacancies! For instance, the number of foreign nurses in the UK rose from 16 per cent in 2016 to 27 per cent by 2023. At the same time, 30 per cent of dentists come from abroad. And a whopping 35 per cent of doctors.

Something similar applies to Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. For years, she cried that mass immigration destroys European identity. But last summer, her government quietly approved allowing another 452,000 workers from outside the EU to enter the country between 2023 and 2025. Italy's economy desperately needs these people. They are the two dirty little secrets of the anti-immigration brigade: it promises much more than it can deliver. And worse: it promises all sorts of things that it does not want to deliver at all.

Look around you, at the newspaper deliverers and cleaners. But right now they are especially vulnerable the truck drivers and greenhouse workers, the construction and distribution workers, the Uber drivers and couriers they are largely people from abroad. Or to the slaughterhouses, where a staggering 51 per cent of employees were born elsewhere. By 2021, more than five migrant workers came to the Netherlands for every two asylum seekers. And that club is only increasing between 2006 and 2021, the number of labour migrants in the Netherlands quadrupled.

You must have a plate the size of a border wall in front of your head not to see a significant part of our luxury (or our consumption pattern) is built on the shoulders of labour migrants. And voters know this. Even in other countries. If you ask Britons whether they think overall immigration rates are too high, a majority (64 per cent) say ‘yes’. But if you then ask them in which occupational group there should be fewer immigrants than doctors, nurses, fruit pickers, academics, construction workers, IT workers, hospitality workers or even students then, for each group, Brits are actually positive about recruiting newcomers. Every group except bankers .

Put reality alongside election talk, you see right-wing European politicians pretending that they are going to curb immigration enormously, but once in power, they do the opposite as far as labour migration is concerned. Because they also know that the economic consequences would otherwise be far too great. But to keep up the pretence that they are ‘tough on migration’, they continue to point wrathfully at the (relatively small group of) asylum seekers they cannot keep out anyway. I have no problem with voters who are anti-immigration. It is a legitimate position, everyone can make their own trade-off. But then give a clear picture of what is in the balance. Let's not beat about the bush if you really want a much lower migration balance, it cannot be done without massive economic damage. Not only will there be far fewer migrant workers to keep the economy going, you will also have to leave the EU if you want to keep the borders closed. And we only have to look across the Channel to see the dramatic economic consequences of leaving the EU.

Is there anything more condescending than promising to reduce migration when you don't have the tools to do so at all? More condescending than preaching ‘getting a grip on migration’, without frankly acknowledging that this requires leaving the European Union? More condescending than telling voters that all their troubles are caused by newcomers, without being honest about the key role migrant workers play in our economic model? But hardly anyone wants to And then consistently fail to deliver, because deep down you don't want what you say at all? And blame the left for your failure, very mature indeed!

[Skybird]

[Tichys Einblicke] Trans-hyped Germany: In anticipatory obedience, the Department of Education of the City of Munich has published guidelines for the new school year, which are intended to align everyday school life with transsexual, intersexual and “non-binary” children: The letter blows the whistle on the neutrality requirement and biological facts.

Teachers have a lot to do. In the best Germany ever, in addition to imparting specialist knowledge and coping with excessive bureaucracy, they all too often have to make up for educational deficits and teach children and young people basic social skills that were previously acquired at home. With the new school year, the city is now placing further demands on its teachers: They are to implement a guideline that aims to tailor everyday school life to the needs of pupils who consider themselves transgender or non-binary.

“Design school life and lessons - also through the teaching materials and examples used - in such a way that the realities of life and the history of trans*, intersex and non-binary people are represented,” it says; or: ”Respect the forms of address and pronouns chosen by the pupils themselves and use them in everyday school life.” From class trips to going to the toilet: teachers are given everyday examples to explain how they should deal with pupils with gender identity issues.


The guide is published by the Department of Education and Sport of the City of Munich, in cooperation with the “Coordination Office for Equality of LGBTIQ*”, the Equal Opportunities Office for Women, and the Specialist Office for Democracy. The terminology of the LGBTQ lobby is adopted uncritically: Trans people are those whose gender does not correspond to the gender “assigned to them at birth, (...).” With this form of expression, trans activists suggest that biological gender is a subjective assignment, not a biological reality. The consistent replacement of “sexuality” with “gender” is also a pandering to ideology. Here, the English language is imitated, where instead of the biologically connoted “sex”, “gender”, reinterpreted as a sociological construction, is used to give the impression that gender is a matter of opinion.

A brazen partisanship for an ideology that not only lacks any scientific basis, but also blatantly contradicts biology and common sense. There is nothing left here of the ideological neutrality that should prevail in schools for good reasons. It lacks a scientific basis, but blatantly contradicts biology and common sense. There is nothing left here of the ideological neutrality that should prevail in schools for good reasons.

Instead of sensitizing teachers to the fact that vulnerable young people are confronted with an ideology and hype through social media that severely disrupts the development of a healthy relationship with their own body and gender during puberty of all times, they are presented with what appears to be a fait accompli: The guide flatly claims, “Assume that there are trans*, intersex and non-binary people at your school, possibly including among teachers, other staff or guardians, even if you don't know it.”

Really? We don't know how many people are actually affected. Even the “Deutsche Gesellschaft für Trans*- und Inter*geschlechtlichkeit e. V.” (dgti), which is one of the main players in the trans lobby in Germany, suggested a figure of 0.6% of the total population in 2021, which suggests that very few schools actually have transgender pupils.


On the other hand, students who are unsettled by influencers and lobby associations are becoming increasingly common - for which guides such as this one are partly responsible: The list of links, which is supposed to enable teachers to obtain further information, contains redirects to protagonists such as the diversity youth organization, whose supporting association is also a shareholder association of CSD Munich according to the imprint; the “Aufklärungsprojekt München e.V.” offers “educational events on sexual orientation and gender identity”: Through such influence, new “transpersons” can of course be generated among confused children, who are thus led without need onto a path of suffering that may have serious consequences.

This shows a complete lack of responsibility towards children and young people, who are being fed to a lobby whose disastrous work is already being increasingly criticized in other countries: The UK, for example, has distanced itself from its pioneering role with the closure of the infamous Tavistock Clinic, as has Sweden, where puberty blockers for children are now banned. In Germany, however, people want to have the bad experience themselves. The Self-Determination Act, which will come into force on November 1, and which prescribes an unprecedented denial of reality, casts its shadow ahead.

The “Demo for all” initiative has made the guidelines publicly available: it is calling for protests to be lodged with the Lord Mayor of the City of Munich - after all, transactivism is to be implemented in public schools under the radar of the public. The victims are children and young people, who should find a space in schools where they are protected from the influence of lobbyists and ideologues.