GER politics thread

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Terror attack in front of the Israeli Embassy in Munich, Germany.

Heavy gunfire could be heard this morning (anniversary of the 1972 Munich Massacre in which Palestinian terrorists murdered 11 Israelis).

The attacker has been killed.

yeah, our media write that it was Austrian,
name Emra I. - name with Turkish origin. Which is not very Austrian, right?

Interesting is that he was armed with WW2 rifle with bayonet, probably Mauser.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Shadowblade

yeah, our media write that it was Austrian,
name Emra I. - name with Turkish origin. Which is not very Austrian, right?

Interesting is that he was armed with WW2 rifle with bayonet, probably Mauser.

Austrian Emra I., born in Austria in 2006, last resident of Neumarkt in Salzburger Land.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Austrian Emra I., born in Austria in 2006, last resident of Neumarkt in Salzburger Land.

According to the local press in Austria, he was a known fanatical Islamist with links to the Islamic State. Imrah I. was of Bosnian origin.

So yes he may be born in Austria, but he wasn't much of an Austrian.

This is also a problem-Whether it is a 3rd, 4th or 5th generation immigrants born in a Western country, they keep their Middle east standpoint.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

According to the local press in Austria, he was a known fanatical Islamist with links to the Islamic State. Imrah I. was of Bosnian origin.

So yes he may be born in Austria, but he wasn't much of an Austrian.

This is also a problem-Whether it is a 3rd, 4th or 5th generation immigrants born in a Western country, they keep their Middle east standpoint.

Markus

No their parents are not radicalized, and I have had it with he/she is Muslim/asylum seeker jada jada so all are terrorist. These people are a minority in the minority this is not the problem in the Netherlands we try it on another way we keep watch and if we see people radicalize we act on it, it is better to get in contact with these people and try to find a solution with them to prevent them so that they do not radicalize further. So far it is working it even worked in Afghanistan stigmatising does not. Sure we have incidents, but a lot of people can not cope with the pressure of life or have mental problems and go FUBAR.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

No their parents are not radicalized, and I have had it with he/she is Muslim/asylum seeker jada jada so all are terrorist. These people are a minority in the minority this is not the problem in the Netherlands we try it on another way we keep watch and if we see people radicalize we act on it, it is better to get in contact with these people and try to find a solution with them to prevent them so that they do not radicalize further. So far it is working it even worked in Afghanistan stigmatising does not. Sure we have incidents, but a lot of people can not cope with the pressure of life or have mental problems and go FUBAR.

Where have I said(written)that every Muslim is a terrorist. What I said is despite being born in a Western country they keep their Middle east mentality.

It's good your authorities can prevent a terror attack by catch them before they get to much radicalized. I think ours do the same- Take them before they do something terrible.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What I said is despite being born in a Western country they keep their Middle east mentality.Markus

This is also stigmatising and is not true either.

Dutch National Threats:
In 2023, the AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service) investigated several Islamic movements in the Netherlands that may pose a threat to the democratic legal order based on their ideology. The Wahhabi Salafist movement in the Netherlands has been steering a more moderate course in recent years. This was also true in 2023. The relatively large and influential fundamentalist movement has doctrines at odds with the democratic rule of law. And its members can disproportionately influence the Islamic community in the Netherlands. But the doctrines have been given a more pragmatic interpretation in recent years. For example, leaders are giving followers space to vote, and thus participate more in political and social life in the Netherlands. The movement is also turning away less from dissenters. Followers, for example, are told to hate ‘disbelief’ rather than ‘non-believers’. The movement was hardly funded or influenced by Gulf backers in 2023. Wahhabi Salafist organisations seemed better able to raise funds domestically. At the same time, Gulf donors seemed less inclined to pay for projects in the Netherlands. All in all, the AIVD considers the threat of the current Wahhabi Salafist movement to the democratic rule of law to be limited.

The organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir posed a low threat in 2023. The movement propagates an extremist message, but it is a small group in the Netherlands without a large reach. The influence and size of the network of Muslim Brothers in the Netherlands was very limited in 2023 and did not seem to propagate an extremist message. Therefore, it hardly posed a threat to the democratic rule of law. The AIVD also investigated in 2023 whether the Hamas threat to the national security of the Netherlands might change, since the recent conflict in Gaza and some arrests in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands. That investigation continues into 2024.

So where are those 3rd, 4th or 5th generation immigrants born in a Western country, with their Middle East standpoint?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

This is also stigmatising and is not true either.

Some years ago the Danish polls asked 3rd and 4th generation if their holy book should substitute the Danish constitution and 74 % said yes and
80 % -something, said that it should be forbidden to mock their beliefs.

From a personal point-of-view. Where I worked before I got sick there was this Muslim woman from Turkey she was 3rd generation immigrants and one day she said to me. My two daughters can marry whoever they want...as long they are Muslim...
I then said
-what if they find a non-muslim and fall in love with this person ?
Her answer
-Then they are not my daughters.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some years ago the Danish polls asked 3rd and 4th generation if their holy book should substitute the Danish constitution and 74 % said yes and
80 % -something, said that it should be forbidden to mock their beliefs.

From a personal point-of-view. Where I worked before I got sick there was this Muslim woman from Turkey she was 3rd generation immigrants and one day she said to me. My two daughters can marry whoever they want...as long they are Muslim...
I then said
-what if they find a non-muslim and fall in love with this person ?
Her answer
-Then they are not my daughters.

Markus

This was/is the same with protestant vs catholic religion, totally nothing to do with terror attacks.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

This was/is the same with protestant vs catholic religion, totally nothing to do with terror attacks.

Very true

Another thing when I mentioned these 74 % I was somewhat right they wanted Sharia to substitute the Danish constitution.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Very true

Another thing when I mentioned these 74 % I was somewhat right they wanted Sharia to substitute the Danish constitution.

Markus

But this 74% is from a minority, so do not see the problem. For a change in the constitution, you need more than 74% so 74% from a minority can not change anything they can not even make a normal law.

[mapuc]

When I read this article I came to think of the discussion we have here in our GER politics thread.

I also confirmed that the most Fanatical Muslim is those who are converted.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Skybird]

When Khomenei returned to Iran, the communists believed him and hoped that supporting him would benefit them and their political plans. They all ended up with ropes around their necks, hung from the lampposts along Tehran's avenues.

Islam is neither harmless nor tolerant. And it is certainly not in its genes to accept coexistence and its own equality with other equals as long as it is not temporarily forced to remain silent due to its own weakness. It is an ideology of conquest, and it has always preached and continues to preach the subjugation of the entire world to the supremacy of Islam. Submit - or be wiped out. That is the Islamic concept of “peace”. It does not share power. It wants to rule all alone, and over everything.

That and nothing else is Koranic Islamofascism. Pax Islamica Mundi - or eternal war and extinction.

I have been in Islamic countries for quite some time, in the past. But none of my former romantic ideas survived, reality forced me to give them all up over a number of years after these travels and stays. Let's call it a lengthy learning process. But a successful one. When it comes to Islam, I am beyond these idiotic European illusions.

Its terrible how stupid Europeans are when it comes to Islam. They may mean it well, but they are not more than naive sheep facing a huge pack of hungry wolves.

And more and more the terirble reigonal coisnequences cannot be ignored or denied anymore. In Sweden. In France. In the UK. In Germany... Only to find out that in these reigons we jhave lost control and are no longer masters in our own homes and houses.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its terrible how stupid Europeans are when it comes to Islam. They may mean it well, but they are not more than naive sheep facing a huge pack of hungry wolves.

And more and more the terirble reigonal coisnequences cannot be ignored or denied anymore. In Sweden. In France. In the UK. In Germany... Only to find out that in these reigons we jhave lost control and are no longer masters in our own homes and houses.

I don't want to generalize 'cause there are some Muslim who have taken the Western mentality to them. and as I posted earlier, the most fanatics is in fact Ethnical citizens who have converted to Islam. This doesn't mean that there isn't radical Muslims here in the West, far from it.

It's important to catch these radicals before they do harm, like the Muslim they caught before they could do any harm at some concert in Vienna.

Markus

[Dargo]

Those "Muslims" are not so fanatic Muslim they drink, cheat really disobey all in the Koran, take it with a grain of salt. Islam is not the problem it is like any religion all about power not believe that causes those violent act's heck we Christians burnt each other if you were different all kind of terror and war in the name of god backwards spelt dog are done and where is the church now they are empty. This jihadism is plainly Islamic fascism, that's all.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I don't want to generalize 'cause there are some Muslim who have taken the Western mentality to them. and as I posted earlier, the most fanatics is in fact Ethnical citizens who have converted to Islam. This doesn't mean that there isn't radical Muslims here in the West, far from it.

It's important to catch these radicals before they do harm, like the Muslim they caught before they could do any harm at some concert in Vienna.

Markus

There is just one Koran, and this one Koran is the basis of Islam and definign what Muslim is. Those you call moderate or iontegrated are often seen by "orthodox" Muslims as apostates. And they are. Which means from Islam's perspective their assassination is legitimate. Apostacy is under death penalty.

Stop making the Koran looking friendlier than it is.

I told this before, but here we go once more:

We really should stop to generalise all Nazis. It is not fair to accuse all moderate, liberal Nazis in the past of the crimes that were committed 80 years ago. Nazism is a peace-promoting, liberal and humanistic philosophy, it wants peace and unity, friendship and cooperation, and only a few fanatical Nazissis try to give it a bad name by gassing those Jews and innocent political enemies in the camps. We really must not mistake Nazis for Nazissis, this Nazissophobia is offending and helps nobody, in fact it makes you not any different from the Nazissis. Nazissism is a form of extremism that derails the original good intention of nazism, you know. By brandmarking all Nauzis as Nazissis, you fuel racism and hate in society and make a peaceful living-together impossible.

Read Hamed Abdel-Samad. He did the full tour in his life, from being a son of a famous Egyptian radical cleric over becoming an extremist "Islamist" hate-filled wannabe-destroyer of the West, to turning a toleran thumanitarian and in consequence: apostate and uncompromised critic of Islamic fascism, the West appeasement of it, he needs to live under plicie protecitons icne many years, there is a Fatwa against him calling for his assassination. I met him durign a book presdentation and had a few minutes-long brief conversation with him severla years ago. Has become a very courageous man.

Dont discuss with me. Discuss with him. He will not make it easy for you, so you are warned.