US Politics Thread 2021-24

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I prefer The Charlatans.

Must be a Democrat!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

So you are saying that it is the courts who's in charge and not the politicians in Washington ?

Markus

There are enough border regulations and laws already on the books which allows the Federal Government do just about anything it wants at the border. The real issue is what law are they going enforce and when.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Must be a Democrat!

Compliment accepted.

[mapuc]

Are you familiar with your preferred party's policy in the various areas, such as domestic policy, foreign policy, etc. ?

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Who me, or us in general? Voter turnout is typically pretty low at something around 65% and a lot of people don’t follow politics until the final couple of months.

Meanwhile there is a conviction in Colorado of an ex county clerk over a 2021 scheme to breach Colorado’s election system.

[vienna]

It appears JD Vance may have one of his venture capital projects come back and bite him on the ass:


Workers allege ‘nightmare’ conditions at Kentucky startup JD Vance helped fund --

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/polit...nce/index.html


Failed Vance-backed start-up stirred worker complaints, then hired migrants: JD Vance in the news --

https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2...-the-news.html


Kinda hard to explain why his project went and imported migrant workers when there are all those US worker just dying to get a job; then again, his butt buddy Trump knowingly staffed some of his properties with illegals until he put his hat in the political ring; also, note the project ended in bankruptcy: I guess Vance is also trying to copy Trump's six (6) bankruptcies; gee, maybe everyone should thank the GOP for offering up a POTUS/VP slate of financial/business failures to run our nation's economy...

On the subject of migrant workers, the biggest drawing card for migrants is the prospect of jobs in the US; now, the law says it is illegal to hire illegals, bu, dang, if the illegals don't find jobs, anyway; in all the talk of immigration reforms and building walls, etc., the glaringly huge fact that employers in the US in several areas of the economy regularly flaunt the established laws and continue to hire illegals; some of you may be aware of the existence of a government program called E-Verify (EV), which is supposed to allow an employer to verify if a potential employee is actual legally qualified to work in the US; sounds like a real good idea, right?; but when the law was originally passed, there was extensive lobbying by certain sectors of the US economy to not make the program mandatory, just having participation as voluntary, essentially gutting the original intent of the legislation: making it extremely difficult for illegals to get jobs and disincentivizing migrants form wanting to enter the US; the voluntary nature of EV has been going on for decades and every time the idea is broached of making compliance with EV mandatory, the same well-connect businesses/industries quietly push down any attempts to close the massive flaw in the law; the businesses involved in gutting the law are the same every time: the major hotel and resort chains, big agriculture, labor intensive businesses like the meat packing industry, etc., with a very large number of those companies operating in Red States, which also points out a glaring degree of hypocrisy when the GOP politicians from those states rail on and on about the illegal immigration problem while the big businesses in their state flaunt immigration laws; I have long wanted to see the Congress finally put an end to the pussyfooting around those special interest employers and make them comply with EV; and, to ensure they do comply, make the fines and penalties much higher than they are now...




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[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Who me, or us in general? Voter turnout is typically pretty low at something around 65% and a lot of people don’t follow politics until the final couple of months.

Meanwhile there is a conviction in Colorado of an ex county clerk over a 2021 scheme to breach Colorado’s election system.

Sorry
Should have written - Are you my American friends familiar.... -

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Are you familiar with your preferred party's policy in the various areas, such as domestic policy, foreign policy, etc. ?

Markus

Only thing I care anything about is tightening up the border, federal spending. Drilling for more domestic oil. I also miss those 4 years of relative peace.

[Buddahaid]

[August]

Pennsylvania election fraud cases



2022 Melissa Fisher Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots, Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2022 Rasheen Edgar Crews Criminal Conviction Ballot Petition Fraud
2022 Cheryl Mihaliak Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls, Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2022 Michael "Ozzie" Myers Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2022 Francis Presto Diversion Program Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots, Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2021 Domenick Demuro Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2021 Bruce Bartman Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2021Ralph Holloway Thurman Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2021 Robert Richard Lynn Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2019 Harry Sandoe Maxwell Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2018 Dolores Shaw Diversion Program Miscellaneous
2018 Calvin Mattox Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
2017 Richard Cummings Jr. Diversion Program False Registrations
2016 Cheryl Ali (aka Cheryl Jamison) Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2016 Myron Cowher, Dmitry Kupershmidt Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2016 Robin Trainor, Laura Murtaugh Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2015 Eugene Gallagher Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2014Richard Allan Toney Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2012 Michael Monaghan Criminal Conviction Ineligible Voting
201 0David Patrick Duffy Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2010 Eric Jones, Alexis Givner, and Mario…Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2009 Jemar Barksdale Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2004 Victor Bernard PinhoCriminal Conviction Duplicate Voting
2004George Edgar Rheam, Jr.Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2003 Mark Cosentino Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2002 Linda Deren Criminal Conviction Ineligible Voting
1999 Austin Murphy Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1998 James Vadella Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
1998 Joseph Vadella Criminal Convictio nMiscellaneous 1998 Michael Vadella Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
1994 Barbara Landers Criminal ConvictionFraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1994 Ramon Pratt Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1994-1993 Philadelphia Special Election Judicial Finding Election Overturned, Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots





https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=PA

[vienna]

It looks like the GOP/Trump/Vance effort to 'sift boat' Walz is not getting quite the approbation from vets they expected...


'Appalled': Veterans slam Trump campaign's attacks on Tim Walz's military background --

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/74780851007/



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[vienna]

Originally Posted by August

Pennsylvania election fraud cases



2022 Melissa Fisher Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots, Impersonation Fraud At The Polls 2022 Rasheen Edgar Crews Criminal Conviction Ballot Petition Fraud
2022 Cheryl Mihaliak Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls, Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2022 Michael "Ozzie" Myers Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2022 Francis Presto Diversion Program Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots, Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2021 Domenick Demuro Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2021 Bruce Bartman Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2021Ralph Holloway Thurman Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2021 Robert Richard Lynn Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2019 Harry Sandoe Maxwell Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2018 Dolores Shaw Diversion Program Miscellaneous
2018 Calvin Mattox Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
2017 Richard Cummings Jr. Diversion Program False Registrations
2016 Cheryl Ali (aka Cheryl Jamison) Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls 2016 Myron Cowher, Dmitry Kupershmidt Criminal Conviction Altering The Vote Count
2016 Robin Trainor, Laura Murtaugh Criminal Conviction Impersonation Fraud At The Polls
2015 Eugene Gallagher Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2014Richard Allan Toney Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2012 Michael Monaghan Criminal Conviction Ineligible Voting
201 0David Patrick Duffy Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
2010 Eric Jones, Alexis Givner, and Mario…Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2009 Jemar Barksdale Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2004 Victor Bernard PinhoCriminal Conviction Duplicate Voting
2004George Edgar Rheam, Jr.Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2003 Mark Cosentino Criminal Conviction False Registrations
2002 Linda Deren Criminal Conviction Ineligible Voting
1999 Austin Murphy Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1998 James Vadella Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
1998 Joseph Vadella Criminal Convictio nMiscellaneous 1998 Michael Vadella Criminal Conviction Miscellaneous
1994 Barbara Landers Criminal ConvictionFraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1994 Ramon Pratt Criminal Conviction Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots
1994-1993 Philadelphia Special Election Judicial Finding Election Overturned, Fraudulent Use Of Absentee Ballots





https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=PA

A nice list; I posted links to that same Heritage.org page a while back when I pointed out that not even that highly vaunted organization could muster up enough incidents to even come near to substantiating "massive voter fraud" nor could they cite a single case of an election, local, state, or national that was adversely or even significantly affected by "massive voter fraud", and I quite sure they are trying their hardest; my original post citing the Hertitage.org tally:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sh...postcount=7744


...and my stance on the whole "massive voter fraud" form the above post:

The whole Trump/MAGA/Far Right GOP Dementia about non-existent "widespread voter fraud" is really very silly, stupid, and really very tiresome; in the years since the 2016 Presidential Elections (8 years and counting), no one has yet to present even a shred of definitive evidence any widespread fraud has occurred in th the US, certainly not at any level to overturn Dementia J. Trump's mad ramblings about some sort of steal; in the years since 2016, I have only heard of a few instances, all singular and not any sort of "conspiracy", and no more than a few dozen out of the millions of votes cast; oddly, a lot of the people caught casting illegal votes were GOP voters, some of whom thought they could "prove' the existence of "widespread fraud" by casting their own illegal, singular votes, which, of course, only resulted in the arrest and prosecution of those sad sacks when then existing systems, which apparently really does work without any need for further 'tweaking, caught them in their illegality; some of the others were the usual aberrations (voting for a dead relative, forging someone else's signature, etc.) and still there wasn't enough of those to even have any effect on the various elections since 2016 and 2016 inclusive (there was one case where a recent old widower cast a ballot for his deceased wife because, when he received her ballot in the mail, he felt that mailing it back completed would be his way of keeping her memory alive; I do hope whoever adjudicated his 'offense' cut him some slack)...

...

Common sense and logic should make a few things obvious: a cabal to 'steal' an election on national level would, in today's media climate have leaked like a sieve and come to light; if there was wide fraud in the states, individual states would have most logically have found it and reported it; if there was any verifiable, truthful substance to the fraud claims, it would be in the very interests of the Trump/MAGA/Far Right GOP contingent to make them public and simultaneously vindicate their stance and crush the DEMS and yet they haven't - why not; as far as the media is concerned, mainstream or not, there is no shortage of hungry reporters and investigators who would give an arm and a legs to break a story a s big as verified widespread voter fraud - but there have been no stories- can millions of reporters and investigators seriously be working together to suppress the truth when actually report a big scoop like widespread fraud would make them famous, and most probably rich, beyond their dreams...


Just try using a little thought and common sense and logic; it will all be clear that what Dementia J. Trump is trying to feed you has no thought and common sense or logic...

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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by vienna

It looks like the GOP/Trump/Vance effort to 'sift boat' Walz is not getting quite the approbation from vets they expected...


'Appalled': Veterans slam Trump campaign's attacks on Tim Walz's military background --

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/74780851007/



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I can tell you, not all vets agree. I know many that deployed and one who lost a limb that don’t think all that highly of Walz for skipping out from deployment and they don’t care much for Harris either.

[vienna]

Ok, "I'll bite", as you put it: can you definitively prove the motive for Walz's retirement was specifically in an effort to avoid being deployed to Iraq and not just a soldier, having given 24 years of his life to the military simply wanting to seek other experiences?; further, any specific proof Walz's service was any other than honorable? We're waiting...

There has been ample evidence that Walz had been contemplating his retirement from the military at least a couple of years before turning in his papers and that has been affirmed by others who served in the Guard with him; also, Walz could have mustered out after he did his twenty years, but he chose to reup for another four years when 9/11 happened; somehow, it doesn't sound or seem like the actions of a soldier seeking to avoid combat...

As far as he might have know about the deployment before hand, I again challenge you to provide factual, verifiable evidence to back up such an assertion; anyone who has ever served in the National Guard during wartime knows that rumors of deployment abound in the ranks and a great many of those are just that, rumors...

If JD Vance and his ilk find the only way to aggrandize being a 4 year correspondent (which usually is a staff position, or as they used to say in Vietnam, a REMF) against a soldier who willingly gave up 24 years of his life in service to his country and served honorably, than I'd say that speaks to the fragility of Vance's ego and his tenuous grasp on a semblance of extensive military experience...

Another question to be considered: when Walz retired he was 41 years old; I don't think the US Army would think it would be a good idea to send a middle aged man into combat (and also consider he had already been treated for hearing loss due to his duty in the artillery); Walz would have most likely been posted somewhere away from combat and might not even have been sent with the rest of his unit; it makes more sense to make way for a younger, able-bodied, soldier than to task a guy on the downward side of life's bell curve to do combat duty...

Like I have said in other instances, use common sense and logic; it tends to work better than vile bellicose...




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[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by vienna

There has been ample evidence

Who cares about evidence when he can have fake news that say exactly what he wants to hear?