Astute vs Virginia

[Kapitan]

I kawnt wead gowd

[Orm]

[quote=LoBlo
Reading... its a good skill to have.[/quote]

Just keep your sarcastic comments out of this thread, otherwise I am going to ask that your post should be deleted.

[Linton]

Orm,as a British taxpayer I have to fund the dross that Bae produces.Where would you like me to begin?SA 80 rifle,AEW Nimrod ......the list goes on!If you can get hold of it read a book called Lions Donkeysamd Dinosaurs.It has some very interesting chapters about the UK defence industry.For example the decision to build Apaches by Westland.The price ended up almost twice what the IDF paid for theirs!!

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by Orm

Just keep your sarcastic comments out of this thread, otherwise I am going to ask that your post should be deleted.

Just keep *your* sarcastic comments out of this thread, otherwise I am going to ask that your post be ridiculed.

[Kapitan]

I bet you guys £50 a november class submarine could sink a virginia.

Il tell you how in a few hours.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I bet you guys £50 a november class submarine could sink a virginia.

Il tell you how in a few hours.

From what I understand, any submarine is capable of sinking any other submarine. I'll still bet that the Virginia would come out on top most of the time.

I'll bet an old 1970's Permit Class could sink any Akula (Gepard) for the same reasons.

[Kapitan]

Yeah ok you got me, i was thinking about the november being just out side the port and catching the VA on its way out.

[Beastttt]

about the only thing I can see Va, having is a larger missle alpha strike over the brit

16 tomahawks to a max 6 from the brit

[Whistler]

Originally Posted by Orm

What a strange statement. Then you think that a company that get a national contract of billions of pound does know much of what it is doing. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Whistler]

Originally Posted by Beastttt

about the only thing I can see Va, having is a larger missle alpha strike over the brit

16 tomahawks to a max 6 from the brit

Exactly... the Astute may have more forward aimed tubes, but whens the last time a sub sank another sub or even a ship with torpedos? Falklands?

Ever since the Gulf War Tomahawks have been where its at... this isn't the cold war anymore.

[Driftwood]

It may not be the Cold War anymore........BUT.......the best anti-submarine weapons platform is STILL another submarine! Even a retired old green suiter knows that!

[rman214]

I think the Virginia class is best because it is the sum of all the knowledge gained by the US Navy since the 1950's. The Brits being our closest ally can benifit from an exchange of information and training from us. We should be developing a new fleet of high-tech SSK subs for specific operations that run on fuel cells and designed to operate quietly in shallow waters and have better survivabilty than LA class subs....they (LA's) only have 2 watertight compartments so a torpedo tube leak could sink the whole ship

[XabbaRus]

:rotfl:
Benefit in technology transfer and training from the UK. The tech transfer I give you but training. Hmmm not just being patriotic but why do many of the world's navies send thier submarine officers to the RN perisher course, and that includes the US sending a couple. Maybe because it is one of the toughest in the world.

As for the tech, I am extremely confident that the Astute will be a technological equal to the Virginia class.

Don't forget that in the cold war, it was the Special fit S Boats and T boats that were preferred up in the Barents, more suited to the SIGINT mission than the 688s. Also being a bit smaller I reckon they were more useful closer to shore.

[Kapitan]

I agree with xabbarus i have a friend going through subschool he is bunked up with some americans not to mention indians and also germans.

We have the most notorius and most difficault officer training submainre in the world, its a well known fact that only 10% pass the course the other 90% fail.

Whats more BAe yes thats right a BRITISH company supplys most of the parts to build the computer systems on the virginia, BAe also made parts for the French Exocet BAe basildon makes parts for about 93 diffrent missiles submarines and computer systems.

British submarines are smaller yes but the americans find them better suited and often place them in the barents sea, the americans will hang around northcape norway the british right off thier harbours.

Its also known that british submarines have penetrated into murmansk submerged and i can tell you for a good fact an american 688 or SSN21 could not do that because of its sheer size.

[Bubblehead Nuke]

Originally Posted by rman214

they (LA's) only have 2 watertight compartments so a torpedo tube leak could sink the whole ship

This is actually a design consideration and our operation procedures and systems took this into account. It is not as much a danger as is sounds. In any situation regarding flooding that would cause loss of ship would probably take down any other sub in existance at this time.