Continuing Administrator Issues SH4 GOLD

propbeanie · 11-20-23, 10:41 AM

... I know this answer, but don't remember it... I do remember though that MSTS does cause issues on Win10 on my machine downstairs, which is an old Core2 quad. Do you have all of the updates available for MSTS, including the after-market ones? I'll see if I can look on the computer downstairs and get you some links. Seems to me this has to do with the DirectX files, but I am not certain. You could try to re-install the DirectX v9.0c run time, which if you have an SH4 install disk, it is on it, else you would have to use the MS online version. As for Monopoly, I am not familiar with it, but it might also be an older game and has some system requirements like MSTS and/or SH4. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of DirectX and Visual C++ library files, each with slightly different files inside, and it might be that one of the games you have overwrites the files of the previous. My computer downstairs has a dual-boot Win7/Win10 set-up, and I have it currently set to only be able to run MSTS in Win7, due to issues with it in Win10. I have a separate SH4 install copy for each of Win7 and Win10. All of those have folder names designating where I can run them, such as SH4Win7 and SH4Win10. I look and see what I have for MSTS downstairs, and see if I can find you some links...

pcohen · 11-20-23, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

... I know this answer, but don't remember it... I do remember though that MSTS does cause issues on Win10 on my machine downstairs, which is an old Core2 quad. Do you have all of the updates available for MSTS, including the after-market ones? I'll see if I can look on the computer downstairs and get you some links. Seems to me this has to do with the DirectX files, but I am not certain. You could try to re-install the DirectX v9.0c run time, which if you have an SH4 install disk, it is on it, else you would have to use the MS online version. As for Monopoly, I am not familiar with it, but it might also be an older game and has some system requirements like MSTS and/or SH4. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of DirectX and Visual C++ library files, each with slightly different files inside, and it might be that one of the games you have overwrites the files of the previous. My computer downstairs has a dual-boot Win7/Win10 set-up, and I have it currently set to only be able to run MSTS in Win7, due to issues with it in Win10. I have a separate SH4 install copy for each of Win7 and Win10. All of those have folder names designating where I can run them, such as SH4Win7 and SH4Win10. I look and see what I have for MSTS downstairs, and see if I can find you some links...

Hi propbeanie, many thanks for you reply again.

Would be gratefull for some Links regarding this.

At the moment I am going round In ever Increasing circles!!!

Many thanks

Paul.

3catcircus · 11-25-23, 12:58 PM

There are so many potential causes.

If you try to run it and it hangs, and then you close it and then run it a second time and it works, there is probably some other program that needed to be running in the background but gets stuck initially - usually it ends up being rundll32.exe or some type of copy protection container that newer versions of Windows don't like.

You should generate a list of what is running when you do a fresh boot and compare it to what else is running after attempting to run the offending games.

If it just won't work at all, then you need to look at making sure the game is installed in a non-protected location (this is also the reason why add-ons don't work). Installing *anywhere* other than the Program Files (x86) directory should be ok.

The other thing you want to do is make sure that your normal login account is who owns the directory and all files where the game is located and they aren't read-only.

If it boots but crashes, it's probably a DirectX issue, a graphics setting issue, etc. Set your desktop resolution to match the game resolution. Disable display scaling on high dpi. You also might want to change compatibility settings and run the program as an administrator.

propbeanie · 11-25-23, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pcohen

Hi propbeanie, many thanks for you reply again.

Would be gratefull for some Links regarding this.

At the moment I am going round In ever Increasing circles!!!

Many thanks

Paul.

Apparently, some of my links for MSTS are now dead, but this looks like a repeat of what I had previously used:

https://msts.steam4me.net/tutorials/...sts_win10.html

a video version

There are a lot of links here, so you might find some of this interesting
https://www.railserve.com/Computers/MSTS/

of course, there are places you can spend money on the old girl also

Monopoly New Edition is not something I am familiar with, and searching on it yields mostly Monopoly Go! versions instead... but a couple links I did find said that a DirectX update is needed - for what that's worth...

11-20-23, 10:41 AM	#1
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,136 Downloads: 453 Uploads: 4	... I know this answer, but don't remember it... I do remember though that MSTS does cause issues on Win10 on my machine downstairs, which is an old Core2 quad. Do you have all of the updates available for MSTS, including the after-market ones? I'll see if I can look on the computer downstairs and get you some links. Seems to me this has to do with the DirectX files, but I am not certain. You could try to re-install the DirectX v9.0c run time, which if you have an SH4 install disk, it is on it, else you would have to use the MS online version. As for Monopoly, I am not familiar with it, but it might also be an older game and has some system requirements like MSTS and/or SH4. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of DirectX and Visual C++ library files, each with slightly different files inside, and it might be that one of the games you have overwrites the files of the previous. My computer downstairs has a dual-boot Win7/Win10 set-up, and I have it currently set to only be able to run MSTS in Win7, due to issues with it in Win10. I have a separate SH4 install copy for each of Win7 and Win10. All of those have folder names designating where I can run them, such as SH4Win7 and SH4Win10. I look and see what I have for MSTS downstairs, and see if I can find you some links... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-25-23, 12:58 PM	#3
3catcircus Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 982 Downloads: 256 Uploads: 0	There are so many potential causes. If you try to run it and it hangs, and then you close it and then run it a second time and it works, there is probably some other program that needed to be running in the background but gets stuck initially - usually it ends up being rundll32.exe or some type of copy protection container that newer versions of Windows don't like. You should generate a list of what is running when you do a fresh boot and compare it to what else is running after attempting to run the offending games. If it just won't work at all, then you need to look at making sure the game is installed in a non-protected location (this is also the reason why add-ons don't work). Installing anywhere other than the Program Files (x86) directory should be ok. The other thing you want to do is make sure that your normal login account is who owns the directory and all files where the game is located and they aren't read-only. If it boots but crashes, it's probably a DirectX issue, a graphics setting issue, etc. Set your desktop resolution to match the game resolution. Disable display scaling on high dpi. You also might want to change compatibility settings and run the program as an administrator.