[REL] Real Fleet Boat 2.0

[propbeanie]

The #2 method is the best way to do it, and it should NOT cause a CTD... in any mod set... If you had a "gun fix" kind of thing, I might be suspicious of that, but you don't... I would be tempted to re-order your mod list, though I doubt it would help:

A_RFB_2.0
B_RFB_2.0_Patch_23April2010
C_RFB_2.0_Patch_06June2019
D_RFB_Corrections (?? - check it first)
E_RSRDC_RFB_V575
F_RSRDC Patch (not necessary - traffic fix)
G_OTC RFB 2.0
H_Increased binoculars for RFB OTC
I_U.S. Medals Fix II_RFBv1.52 (might conflict with OTC's Medals)
J_OTC_Gato Sonar Bearing Fix
K_SMMO for RFB 2.0
L_Clean and Quiet Map (does it conflict with the above??)
M_Stop The Shouting
N_RFB_LocNames
O_Webster's 300' Underwater Visability for v1.5
P_3000 Yard Bearing Tool (1920x)

Not that a re-ordering would help the deck gun aiming, but you should get a more-accurate mix of the mods.

Have you done any Save folder editing to the deck guns?

[KaleunMarco]

Career Start December 1941 in Manila driving a Sargo.

The Sargo has four conning towers available, the second tower (first upgrade) is available September 1942.
The third tower (second upgrade) is available March 1943.
The fourth one (third upgrade) is available March 1944 and i think this is just a paint job.


Just received the first upgrade in late January 1943. It took several missions between September and January to actually get it.

 

on the last two missions, we took damage, including a bit of hull damage, and attained a mission rating of two in each.

And so, it continues to play out in the US Pacific portion of SH4 that a conning tower upgrade requires multiple, at least two consecutive missions with damage incurred and a mission rating greater than 0. It seems, and I stress seems, that a mission rating of three disqualifies the upgrade. Twos and ones along with consecutive missions with some hull damage seem to cause the upgrade.

[KaleunMarco]

with the aforementioned upgrade, we received lots of new goodies although Ubi continues to screw it up.

they reset all of the radar options so i had to re-select both the SJ and SD options. when i did a quick shove-off to check, the SJ was not working...again.
i wonder if they forgot to install the antenna like they did with the Porpoise. (they did forget the antenna)

then, they also screwed up the Hogan's Alley and DC positions. previously i modified the UPC setup to include 15 billets in each, but it was ignored in the upgrade. i keep wondering from where are they pulling the ActiveUser definitions because they sure as heck are not pulling them from the Submarines\NSSSargo folder.

and they also munged-up the Deck gun crew positions. i upgraded both type (4 inch) and mount (fore vs aft) and the positions disappeared.

{sigh} what a piece of crap. remind me: why am i still playing?

[KaleunMarco]

what is/are the connection(s) between the UPC, Upgrades, and Equipment files for upgradable equipment like surface radar?

i am trying to debug the upgrade process in RFB/RSRD because they are clearly messed up for more than one boat.
i THINK it has something to do with the name connectivity between the three files mentioned above however, there is something, a reference, something that is breaking the connection(s).

it would help to know how these three files reference each other for SJ radar equipment. There is a disconnect among these three references...or...there is a fourth reference in a fourth file. (or fifth or sixth or .....)

From ActiveUser

[UserPlayerUnit 1.UnitPartSlot 1.UnitPart.Compartment 1.EquipmentSlot 1]
ID=SurfRadarAntennaMed
NameDisplayable=Surface Radar Antenna
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=NULL
UserCustomizable=Yes
ExternalNodeName3D=R01
ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D=230
IDLinkEquipmentLoaded=NULL

From Equipment.upc

[Equipment 30]
ID=SJRadarAntennaEarly
NameDisplayable= Radar Mast (SJ)
FunctionalType= EqFTypeRadarAntennaSJEarly
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=NULL
ExternalLinkName3D= NSS_EarlySJ_03
Hitpoints= 200
DamageDescription1= NULL,0,0.1,0,0.1,1,small malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.1,0.3,40
DamageDescription2= NULL,0.1,0.3,0.1,0.2,1,significant malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.3,0.3,320
DamageDescription3= NULL,0.3,0.5,0,0,1,severe malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.5,0.3,960
DamageDescription4= NULL,0.5,1,0,0,1,equipment unserviceable,0,0,NULL,1,2,216000

[Equipment 31]
ID=SJRadarAntennaLate
NameDisplayable= Radar Mast (SJ)
FunctionalType= EqFTypeRadarAntennaSJLate
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=NULL
ExternalLinkName3D= NSS_LateSJ
Hitpoints= 200
DamageDescription1= NULL,0,0.1,0,0.1,1,small malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.1,0.3,40
DamageDescription2= NULL,0.1,0.3,0.1,0.2,1,significant malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.3,0.3,320
DamageDescription3= NULL,0.3,0.5,0,0,1,severe malfunction,0,0,NULL,0.5,0.3,960
DamageDescription4= NULL,0.5,1,0,0,1,equipment unserviceable,0,0,NULL,1,2,216000

From Unitparts_Sargo

[UnitPart 2.Compartment 1.EquipmentSlot 1]
ID= SurfRadarAntennaMed
NameDisplayable= Surface Radar Antenna
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes= NULL
UserCustomizable=Yes
IDLinkEquipmentIntervalDefault1= NULL, NULL, NULL
ExternalNodeName3D= R01
ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D= 230

EDIT:
there is a fourth file.....i forgot to include Sargo.sns.
i see one disconnect. the date ranges here do not match the date ranges in the UPC files. i'll have to square up those items.

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_EarlySJ_PClass_Mount
StartDate=19420701
EndDate=19430515

[Sensor 10]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_EarlySJ_Mount
StartDate=19430516
EndDate=19430630

[Sensor 11]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_LateSJ_Mount
StartDate=19430701
EndDate=19451231

[propbeanie]

The Equipment.upc file in the Data UPCData UPCUnits folder holds the pieces of the radar and sonar devices (along with others), including the "cabinets", masts & antenna. Notice that the "cabinets" (aka: 'apps') will use a "ExternalLinkName3D=" setting set to NULL, since those 3D pieces are already part of the interior model, and do not change. However, the mast and antennas have the name of the device after that "ExternalLinkName3D=" line, and it points to the mast and antenna in the Sensors_sub_US files in the Data Library USSubParts folder. Those HAVE to match the Data Objects "Conning_SubName_0X file. In other words, the conning tower might require a radar mast that is "supported", ie: has bracing to hold it in place. Or it might require and "unsupported" mast, since the conning tower has integral support for the mast (such as the Balao, among others). Some of the boats change the mast type with the conning tower call, which is where a LOT of trouble comes in. This was the main reason CapnScurvy simplified the conning towers in initial releases of FotRSU by changing which towers were called for which boat. This did cause issue with the radio masts sometimes being set in the middle of hatches, or the cabling not matching the boat.

But it is not as easy as just that of course, since there is also the UpgradePacks.upc file in that Data UPCData UnitsData folder. It takes the "pieces" in the Equipment.upc and puts them into "packs" for installation on the boat. Add to all of that, the fact that some devices have mount points in both the boat AND the conning tower. Notice that there are regular "slots" in the body of the NSS_SubName.upc file for the equipment (and weapons and crew), and those will have the "Node" names with them, such as "R01", etc. Plus, the equipment UpgradePackSlot section below those for the "upgrades" that are in the NSS_SubName.upc file in the Data Submarine NSS_SubName folders. All of those have to be set correctly and match one another. Add further complexity with somewhat "matching" entries for some of the equipment in the "UnitParts#SubName.upc file, and all of its various "UnitPart#" sections for each of the conns in the Objects folder...



I'm not confused, just lost - and probably forgot something...

[KaleunMarco]

Career Start December 1941 in Manila driving a Sargo.

The Sargo has four conning towers available, the second tower (first upgrade) is available September 1942.
The third tower (second upgrade) is available March 1943.
The fourth one (third upgrade) is available March 1944 and i think this is just a paint job.


Just received the second upgrade in late August 1943. It took a few missions between March and August to actually get it.

 

on the last two missions, we took damage, including a bit of hull damage, and attained a mission rating of two in each.

And so, it continues to play out in the US Pacific portion of SH4 that a conning tower upgrade requires multiple, at least two consecutive missions with damage incurred and a mission rating greater than 0. It seems, and I stress seems, that a mission rating of three disqualifies the upgrade. Twos and ones along with consecutive missions with some hull damage seem to cause the upgrade.

as i solve one puzzle another appears. it seems that with RFB + RSRD, each conning tower upgrade fails to insert a surface radar antenna which makes the radar non-functional until i do a manual insertion of the missing piece. takes all of the fun out of solving the conning tower upgrade mystery.

if anyone can figure out how to fix the radar antenna issue, please let me know, as i have not been able to find the "bug".

[propbeanie]

I do not see any upc files in RSRDC that would affect the UnitParts or the Submarine folders... ?? I wonder what kicks it in the nuts? Oh! Wait! It's SH4...

[mazzi]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

as i solve one puzzle another appears. it seems that with RFB + RSRD, each conning tower upgrade fails to insert a surface radar antenna which makes the radar non-functional until i do a manual insertion of the missing piece. takes all of the fun out of solving the conning tower upgrade mystery.

if anyone can figure out how to fix the radar antenna issue, please let me know, as i have not been able to find the "bug".

Possible answer is a tench boat from fotrsu, absolutely everything in it has been transferred from the conning tower to the hull.
And in your boat, move only your ground radar from the conning tower to the hull, and don’t touch the rest.
I don’t know whether such a scheme will work or not.

[KaleunMarco]

Career Start December 1941 in Manila driving a Sargo.

The Sargo has four conning towers available, the second tower (first upgrade) is available September 1942.
The third tower (second upgrade) is available March 1943.
The fourth one (third upgrade) is available March 1944 and i think this is just a paint job.

Just received the last upgrade in March 1944.

 

on the last two missions, we took damage, including a bit of hull damage, and attained a mission rating of two in the first and one in the second.

And so, it continues to play out in the US Pacific portion of SH4 that a conning tower upgrade requires at least two consecutive missions with damage incurred and a mission rating greater than 0. It seems, and I stress seems, that a mission rating of three disqualifies the upgrade. Twos and ones along with consecutive missions with some hull damage seem to cause the upgrade.

also....i should be mentioning this in each post on the update topic.
my apologies: in the V1.5 Pacific career, in order to get a conning tower upgrade, in addition to achieving the conditions stated above, the boat you are driving CANNOT be eligible for a boat replacement. For example, if you are driving a Porpoise and want to drive her with an upgraded conning tower at some point in the war, all of the better boats (Sarge,Gar,Gato,Balao,Tench) must have an Upgradeclass equal to or less than the Upgradeclass of the Porpoise. that value is in the NSS_Subname.upc file(s).

with the upgrade mentioned above, they reset all of the radar options so i had to re-select both the SJ and SD options. when i did a quick shove-off to check, the SJ was not working...again. they forgot to install the antenna like they did with the Porpoise and the earlier Sargo conning tower upgrades.

then, they also screwed up the Hogan's Alley and DC positions. previously i modified the UPC setup to include 15 billets in each, but it was ignored in the upgrade. i keep wondering from where are they pulling the ActiveUser definitions because they sure as heck are not pulling them from the Submarines\NSSSargo folder.