Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 87

Exocet25fr · 10-05-23, 12:36 PM

Oups!! you're hard

Jimbuna · 10-05-23, 01:06 PM

Yet another shining example of Russian military bravery against unarmed civilians.

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A Russian strike in north-eastern Ukraine has killed at least 51 people, officials say
The attack happened in the village of Hroza near Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region
A six-year-old boy was among those killed when the attack happened at 13:15 local time
According to reports villagers from Hroza had gathered in a local cafe for a wake following the death of a resident
Posting to Telegram, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of "genocidal aggression"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/67018505

Torvald Von Mansee · 10-05-23, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

the majority.

Pretty sure Carlin would have nothing but contempt for you..

mapuc · 10-05-23, 03:03 PM

Markus

Dargo · 10-05-23, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Markus

Back? Russia tries this for weeks without result, they have no reserves all is on the Robotyne area that is more important to keep if that gap breaks down the road to Tokmak is open, then they are in big trouble.

mapuc · 10-05-23, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo

Back? Russia tries this for weeks without result, they have no reserves all is on the Robotyne area that is more important to keep if that gap breaks down the road to Tokmak is open, then they are in big trouble.

I was thinking on what you have written in some of your answers to me earlier, during the watch of this video.
That's why I posted the video, 'cause I found it interesting Russia on the move forward while they are trying to defend certain areas in the South and Northeast

Markus

Catfish · 10-05-23, 03:57 PM

Hard to see the truth of course, however if you look at different media across the globe it seems things are not going well for Putin.
Especially russian telegram posts or indian/african sources.
Still, it is good that we also have some russian opinions and even propaganda, the latter is never so strong as when things go bad for Putin

mapuc · 10-05-23, 05:23 PM

In todays program-News Room the anchor asked 4 expert on when will it be peace in Ukraine.

Each of them had their version.

For me it can only be peace under these condition:

1. Russia withdraw all their soldiers and material from the entire Ukraine
2. Ukraine and Russia comes to an agreement where Russia keep some part of Ukraine
3. Ukraine surrender.

I support number one-Either they withdraw their troops or be kicked out.

Markus

Skybird · 10-05-23, 05:38 PM

Some day sago media rumoured that Putin issues kind of an ultimatum to Shoigu to start an attack, just any attack, on any Ukrianian city, no matter the cost, in a bid to regain initiave and/or to force Ukraine to divert forces it uses in its own offensive. The claimed russian offensive may be expression of that ultimatum, if it was real. That would possibly imply that the the Russians indeed support this offensive desperately and with just anything they can scratch together, which currently is not much.

Russian has announced the formation of new units. Thats a game they can do very, very, very often. It say snotrhign apout the quality of that units, but over the longer time their mere numbers may exhaust the Ukrainians.

Skybird · 10-05-23, 05:48 PM

Frankfzurte rRundschau published this image to illustrate the advance of Ukraine June 7th to today.
A "breakthrough looks different.
I think Kyiv exaggerated their successes a bit...

And wasnt it said they "breached the third defenc eline of the Russians? All I see on that illustration is they merely broke through the second, and are a good way away from the third.

They overwhelmed some serious defences - at unknown costs for themselves. A breakthrough this is not.

ET2SN · 10-05-23, 06:17 PM

There are some good points to ponder.

No matter how it ends, Russia doesn't get a NATO-hosted victory parade. In fact, no matter how it ends, Russia keeps its Pariah status for another generation or two.

Keeping the war going does NOT weaken NATO, quite the opposite.

Ukraine will keep punching. They will punch more effectively with aid and arms from NATO and the western powers. In other words- as long as Ukraine keeps punching, Russia gets weaker.

Skybird · 10-05-23, 07:03 PM

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as long as Ukraine keeps punching, Russia gets weaker.

And Ukraine only keeps punching as longs as the West gives sufficient support (and the powergrid of Ukriane is not taken out so that their factories must shut down). Its not sufficient already now, as I often argued. Too little to live, too much to die. The public mood to support Ukraine, is in decline, slowly, but steadily.

And Europe still has not switched on war production.

Jimbuna · 10-06-23, 05:17 AM

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10-05-23, 05:23 PM	#1298
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,565 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	In todays program-News Room the anchor asked 4 expert on when will it be peace in Ukraine. Each of them had their version. For me it can only be peace under these condition: 1. Russia withdraw all their soldiers and material from the entire Ukraine 2. Ukraine and Russia comes to an agreement where Russia keep some part of Ukraine 3. Ukraine surrender. I support number one-Either they withdraw their troops or be kicked out. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-05-23, 05:38 PM	#1299
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,717 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Some day sago media rumoured that Putin issues kind of an ultimatum to Shoigu to start an attack, just any attack, on any Ukrianian city, no matter the cost, in a bid to regain initiave and/or to force Ukraine to divert forces it uses in its own offensive. The claimed russian offensive may be expression of that ultimatum, if it was real. That would possibly imply that the the Russians indeed support this offensive desperately and with just anything they can scratch together, which currently is not much. Russian has announced the formation of new units. Thats a game they can do very, very, very often. It say snotrhign apout the quality of that units, but over the longer time their mere numbers may exhaust the Ukrainians. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-05-23, 05:48 PM	#1300
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,717 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Frankfzurte rRundschau published this image to illustrate the advance of Ukraine June 7th to today. A "breakthrough looks different. I think Kyiv exaggerated their successes a bit... And wasnt it said they "breached the third defenc eline of the Russians? All I see on that illustration is they merely broke through the second, and are a good way away from the third. They overwhelmed some serious defences - at unknown costs for themselves. A breakthrough this is not. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-05-23, 06:17 PM	#1301
ET2SN Ocean Warrior Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,652 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	There are some good points to ponder. No matter how it ends, Russia doesn't get a NATO-hosted victory parade. In fact, no matter how it ends, Russia keeps its Pariah status for another generation or two. Keeping the war going does NOT weaken NATO, quite the opposite. Ukraine will keep punching. They will punch more effectively with aid and arms from NATO and the western powers. In other words- as long as Ukraine keeps punching, Russia gets weaker.

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