Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Exocet25fr]

Soon the sea in visual...!?

Russian lines stronger than West expected, admits British defence chief

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...hief-xjlvqrm86


French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Soon the sea in visual...!?

Russian lines stronger than West expected, admits British defence chief

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...hief-xjlvqrm86


French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!

Like I said before in this thread, the weapons to Ukraine are not given Ukraine pays in some way you already see several countries getting contracts to produce weapons other ways will be influence thinking we give it all away is simple but seeing your posting it is a fact for you. On the "Russian lines stronger than West expected" boi you late we already know that for at least two months that is why Ukraine changed plans for the offensive and that is so far a success the trend is against the Russians that lose a lot of equipment.

Military aid to Ukraine gives a shot in the arm to the U.S. economy

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

00:10:00 on: Thats what I said already last year when the talking about tanks came up: that these tanks are made to kill other tanks, but that tank-on-tank alömpost enver occurs in the ukraine war and that therefore the Western tanks tactical weight may show to have been overestimated.
In case of the german doctrine of the past at last this was especially clear, the ammo loadout of Bundeswehr MBTs was very much focused on tank busting and often the tanks had just two rounds: KE (Sabot, a kinetic round), and HEAT (Explosive Anti-Tank), which may be explosive but again is optimised for overcoming and penetrating armour - again soft targets and infantry and houses it is less effective. American and British tanks always had a bigger variety of available ammo for different purposes than just tank busting, for example especially against dig in infantry, houses, and so forth.

Alkso, since the Western tanks are designed for tank busting, their prtection against incoming fire focusses on the vector folowed by travelling rounds from an enemy tank: thus, the sides of hull and turret, all aspects, is hardened, while belly and roof are significvntly less armoured, because an enemy tank hardly gets a shot off against these. Now these tanks face drones from above, artillery from above and mines from the bottom.

Also, the geography in the Ukrainian battle spaces and terrain is not what it would have been in the North-German plains.


I also expect that the tanks in Ukraine face an amount of wear and tear that their designers probably did not expect, and not over such an extend period of time. This is complex kit, the logistics must be nightmare for ukraine - multiplied by three (Leo, Chally, Abrams).

[Catfish]

I wonder how long an Abrams will last in these conditions, and I do not even mean enemy influence

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!

Sources say France has demanded 10,000,000 White Flags as payment for weapons shipped to Ukraine.
"We are preparing to surrender to Russia ahead of time. We do not wish to be caught short of white flags as We were at the Invasion during WWII!"

[mapuc]

Got this bad feelings that Ukraine will not manage to retake the occupied areas back.

I hope they will manage to do so, but got this bad feeling.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Got this bad feelings that Ukraine will not manage to retake the occupied areas back.

I hope they will manage to do so, but got this bad feeling.

Markus

I do not see this happen, certainly not this year or Ukraine must do something we do not know they will not without airpower to retake large areas. Now they only use mainly infantry, but that is not gone work they lack about a million infanterist Russia is defending, that is always easier and in the Robotyne area Russians best troops defending.

[Catfish]

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Sources say France has demanded 10,000,000 White Flags as payment for weapons shipped to Ukraine.
"We are preparing to surrender to Russia ahead of time. We do not wish to be caught short of white flags as We were at the Invasion during WWII!"

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

Russia did it in Donbas and Luhansk-Sending Russian troops without any flag emblem on their left shoulder-So why can't we do the same-Sending thousands of NATO troops to Ukraine without this flag emblem.

Telling Putler that they are volunteers.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

Can't disagree with that.

[Jimbuna]

[tonschk]

As Ukraine offensive collapses, US tries to drum up support for war at G20

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../ooed-s09.html

Three months later, Ukraine’s offensive has ended in a debacle, failing to achieve any of its objectives, measuring its episodic advances in mere yards and meters, while desperately sacrificing tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, and losing hundreds of US and NATO armored vehicles. Billions of dollars in aid have been squandered and stolen by Ukrainian officials and Kiev’s defense minister has been fired.

This is the context in which US President Joe Biden, the doddering master strategist of this bloody disaster, has arrived at the G20 summit in New Delhi, India, in an effort to bolster international support for the proxy war with Russia in Ukraine and, at the same time, deepen the military and economic offensive against China.

[Jimbuna]

Does Putin really think Russians are THAT gullible?

In a move that has left many scratching their heads, Russian state media recently aired a video praising President Vladimir Putin's policies in Kaliningrad.

The catch? The footage was actually of the Polish city of Elblag, not Kaliningrad.

This isn't the first time Russian state media has made such a glaring mistake. From false claims about shooting down 'shadow missiles' to manipulated photos of deceased soldiers, the list is growing.

But this latest incident has many wondering: does Putin really think Russians are that gullible?

These repeated missteps are eroding public trust not just in the media but also in the Russian government. If the aim is to bolster national pride or paint a rosy picture of the state of affairs, these blunders are doing just the opposite.

Do you think these errors are simply oversights, or is there a calculated effort to mislead the public? And more importantly, does Putin really think Russians will fall for this?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...&ei=22#image=1

[Jimbuna]