Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 77

Jimbuna · 09-27-23, 01:11 PM

Russia hints peace with Ukraine possible as Putin ally Lavrov shares terms for end of war

Russia's top diplomat suggested the country is ready to consider peace negotiations with Ukraine should Kyiv meet its key condition.

Sergey Lavrov over the weekend gave the first major indication that Moscow is prepared to end the war after 19 months.

He noted the Kremlin would recognize Ukraine's borders before the invasion if President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Government backtracked on plans to join NATO or any other military alliance.

During an outing on Saturday, Lavrov said that the Kremlin "recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine on the basis of the Declaration of Independence which it adopted upon leaving the USSR."

The Foreign Affairs Minister added: "One of the main points for us was that Ukraine would be a non-aligned country and would not enter into any military alliances.

"Under those conditions, we support the territorial integrity of this state."

Ukrainian neutrality has long been a matter of contention between Kyiv and Russia, with the latter's attempts to increasingly align itself with the European Union and other Western nations repeatedly thwarted by Moscow.

"Ukraine's 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty does indeed proclaim Ukraine to be a 'permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs'," George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz said.
He told Newsweek: "Lavrov's statement, then, does imply that Moscow would recognize Ukraine's 1990 borders if Ukraine foreswore membership in NATO."

Vladimir Putin cited NATO's alleged expansionistic plot as a key factor in his decision to launch what he first called a "special operation" into Ukraine.

However, the conflict has only exacerbated Zelensky's commitment to join NATO and his bid has since won the support of several members.

Lavrov's statement, while offering a glimmer of hope for peace, does not address what is likely to long remain a sticking point between Kyiv and Moscow - the future of Crimea.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...5c783ad3&ei=16

mapuc · 09-27-23, 01:19 PM

!!?? Why this change in demand for Peace by the Russians !!??

Until some days ago the demand was that Crimea, Luhansk and Donbas should be part of Russia if they would agree on a peace treaty.

And now they going to accept the 90-91 Border.

Markus

Jimbuna · 09-27-23, 01:23 PM

Believe nothing attributed to the Russians.

Skybird · 09-27-23, 01:59 PM

Militarily things currently work against them, they want time to take a deep breath and reorganize. I do not believe this gangster one single syllable.

The offensive had a superheavy start, but now things flip and flop and do samba in their favour.

Catfish · 09-27-23, 02:34 PM

Putin can end his war of aggression anytime, he just has to leave Ukraine. But speaking about peace and giving land to Russia?
In a further context we will see Putin or the next russian dictator doing the same stunt in a few years when he has rearmed and improved his military. In the meantime Russia's little green men will be everywhere in Ukraine.
I take it it is in the US' interest not to stop the war before Sevastopol is in Ukraine's hands.
But this is alone Ukraine's decision.

Jeff-Groves · 09-27-23, 03:59 PM

I'd demand an unconditional surrender by Russia.

Catfish · 09-27-23, 04:38 PM

^ hmm. This means Putin will continue to brain-wash and militarize kids and breed a new ~~Hitler~~ Putin Jugend that will continue the fight when they reach the age.
Better would be a crash of the whole russian Mafia gangster system. Maybe it will not happen, but when the war gets on long enough an the sh!t hits Moscow and St. Petersburg.. who knows.

Commander Wallace · 09-27-23, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Militarily things currently work against them, they want time to take a deep breath and reorganize. I do not believe this gangster one single syllable.

The offensive had a superheavy start, but now things flip and flop and do samba in their favour.

I agree with you and Catfish. Russia is just playing for time to reorganize and rearm and hope the armament factories in Russia get up to speed and hope he can stay in power. Russia and Putrid already sold himself out to China and that little happy meal eating, fat man in North Korea, essentially begging for outdated munitions. Russia will be back in force then as any agreement with Russia is worthless. Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia in addition to Sweden and Finland have no trust for Russia nor does most of the world.

Putrid is a war criminal as well as Russia. Russia is afraid of advanced weapons coming to the Ukraine like long range rockets, Abrams tanks and F-16 fighter jets. This is entirely up to the Ukraine but I would keep going. Russia would have to make war reparations and turn over Putrid and his other war criminals which will never happen.

tonschk · 09-27-23, 06:40 PM

CANADA PARLIAMENT SPEAKER EMBARASSINGLY QUIT AND RESIGN AFTER WELCOMING A UKRAINIAN NAZI SS INTO COMMONS AND CALLING HIM `HERO`

Commander Wallace · 09-27-23, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

CANADA PARLIAMENT SPEAKER EMBARASSINGLY QUIT AND RESIGN AFTER WELCOMING A UKRAINIAN NAZI SS INTO COMMONS AND CALLING HIM `HERO`

We heard you the first few times you said this. Give it a rest and or come up with something new. Russia and Putin are the real " Nazi's."

Jimbuna · 09-28-23, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

We heard you the first few times you said this. Give it a rest and or come up with something new. Russia and Putin are the real " Nazi's."

I wouldn't even bother replying just like the vast majority of sensible members in our community.

Jimbuna · 09-28-23, 02:39 AM

Commander Wallace · 09-28-23, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I wouldn't even bother replying just like the vast majority of sensible members in our community.

You're very right. Agreed.

Jimbuna · 09-28-23, 12:40 PM

Exocet25fr · 09-28-23, 01:05 PM

Russia to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year

Russia said Thursday that it plans to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year, funnelling massive resources into its Ukraine offensive to fight what it calls a "hybrid war" unleashed by the West. With Moscow's "special military operation" now approaching another winter, both sides have been digging deep and procuring weapons from allies in preparation for a protracted conflict.

Poland says missile that killed two in 2022 was Ukrainian

A missile that killed two people in a Polish village in November, raising fears of a dangerous spike in the Ukraine conflict, belonged to Kyiv’s forces, according to Poland’s justice minister. Two workers at a grain drying facility died in the blast in Przewodow, some six kilometres from the Ukrainian border, raising fears of an escalation in the war between Moscow and Kyiv. But Warsaw and the NATO military alliance, of which Poland is member, later said the explosion was likely caused by a Ukrainian air-defence missile launched to intercept a Russian barrage.

Russian shelling damaged thermal power plant in southern Ukraine, says grid operator

Russian shelling damaged a thermal power plant in southern Ukraine late on Wednesday, Ukraine's national grid operator said on Thursday. State-run Ukrenergo gave no other details about the location of the plant or the extent of the damage. "Yesterday evening a thermal power plant in the southern region was damaged as a result of massive enemy shelling," Ukrenergo said.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ssia-overnight

09-27-23, 01:11 PM	#1141
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,585 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Russia hints peace with Ukraine possible as Putin ally Lavrov shares terms for end of war Russia's top diplomat suggested the country is ready to consider peace negotiations with Ukraine should Kyiv meet its key condition. Sergey Lavrov over the weekend gave the first major indication that Moscow is prepared to end the war after 19 months. He noted the Kremlin would recognize Ukraine's borders before the invasion if President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Government backtracked on plans to join NATO or any other military alliance. During an outing on Saturday, Lavrov said that the Kremlin "recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine on the basis of the Declaration of Independence which it adopted upon leaving the USSR." The Foreign Affairs Minister added: "One of the main points for us was that Ukraine would be a non-aligned country and would not enter into any military alliances. "Under those conditions, we support the territorial integrity of this state." Ukrainian neutrality has long been a matter of contention between Kyiv and Russia, with the latter's attempts to increasingly align itself with the European Union and other Western nations repeatedly thwarted by Moscow. "Ukraine's 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty does indeed proclaim Ukraine to be a 'permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs'," George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz said. He told Newsweek: "Lavrov's statement, then, does imply that Moscow would recognize Ukraine's 1990 borders if Ukraine foreswore membership in NATO." Vladimir Putin cited NATO's alleged expansionistic plot as a key factor in his decision to launch what he first called a "special operation" into Ukraine. However, the conflict has only exacerbated Zelensky's commitment to join NATO and his bid has since won the support of several members. Lavrov's statement, while offering a glimmer of hope for peace, does not address what is likely to long remain a sticking point between Kyiv and Moscow - the future of Crimea. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...5c783ad3&ei=16 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-27-23, 01:19 PM	#1142
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,671 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	!!?? Why this change in demand for Peace by the Russians !!?? Until some days ago the demand was that Crimea, Luhansk and Donbas should be part of Russia if they would agree on a peace treaty. And now they going to accept the 90-91 Border. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-27-23, 01:23 PM	#1143
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,585 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Believe nothing attributed to the Russians. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-27-23, 01:59 PM	#1144
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,833 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Militarily things currently work against them, they want time to take a deep breath and reorganize. I do not believe this gangster one single syllable. The offensive had a superheavy start, but now things flip and flop and do samba in their favour. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-27-23, 02:34 PM	#1145
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Putin can end his war of aggression anytime, he just has to leave Ukraine. But speaking about peace and giving land to Russia? In a further context we will see Putin or the next russian dictator doing the same stunt in a few years when he has rearmed and improved his military. In the meantime Russia's little green men will be everywhere in Ukraine. I take it it is in the US' interest not to stop the war before Sevastopol is in Ukraine's hands. But this is alone Ukraine's decision. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-27-23, 03:59 PM	#1146
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,663 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I'd demand an unconditional surrender by Russia.

09-27-23, 04:38 PM	#1147
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ hmm. This means Putin will continue to brain-wash and militarize kids and breed a new ~~Hitler~~ Putin Jugend that will continue the fight when they reach the age. Better would be a crash of the whole russian Mafia gangster system. Maybe it will not happen, but when the war gets on long enough an the sh!t hits Moscow and St. Petersburg.. who knows. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-27-23, 06:40 PM	#1149
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	CANADA PARLIAMENT SPEAKER EMBARASSINGLY QUIT AND RESIGN AFTER WELCOMING A UKRAINIAN NAZI SS INTO COMMONS AND CALLING HIM `HERO` __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

09-28-23, 02:39 AM	#1152
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,585 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-28-23, 12:40 PM	#1154
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,585 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-28-23, 01:05 PM	#1155
Exocet25fr Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 1,137 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Russia to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year Russia said Thursday that it plans to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year, funnelling massive resources into its Ukraine offensive to fight what it calls a "hybrid war" unleashed by the West. With Moscow's "special military operation" now approaching another winter, both sides have been digging deep and procuring weapons from allies in preparation for a protracted conflict. Poland says missile that killed two in 2022 was Ukrainian A missile that killed two people in a Polish village in November, raising fears of a dangerous spike in the Ukraine conflict, belonged to Kyiv’s forces, according to Poland’s justice minister. Two workers at a grain drying facility died in the blast in Przewodow, some six kilometres from the Ukrainian border, raising fears of an escalation in the war between Moscow and Kyiv. But Warsaw and the NATO military alliance, of which Poland is member, later said the explosion was likely caused by a Ukrainian air-defence missile launched to intercept a Russian barrage. Russian shelling damaged thermal power plant in southern Ukraine, says grid operator Russian shelling damaged a thermal power plant in southern Ukraine late on Wednesday, Ukraine's national grid operator said on Thursday. State-run Ukrenergo gave no other details about the location of the plant or the extent of the damage. "Yesterday evening a thermal power plant in the southern region was damaged as a result of massive enemy shelling," Ukrenergo said. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ssia-overnight __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !