Do you Panic? - Page 2

Oubaas · 09-18-23, 12:40 AM

No. I don't remember ever panicking about anything, even as a kid. And if I ever did harbor the tendency, my military career certainly extinguished it.

I can remember standing there calmly talking to people with my own meat hanging out, taking care of business before allowing them to provide me with medical treatment.

I remember grabbing people under water, calming them down, and untangling their gear for them. And pulling people out of riptides in (which I was playing zoom and laughing silently) while they were panicking and trying to drown themselves.

I can also recall taking care of matters at hand while everyone else was literally curled up in the fetal position on the ground and all hell was breaking loose around us. I was sure that I was going to die that day. But I didn't.

I stay calm even in the most dire circumstances, and tend to take charge, give orders, and correct whatever is amiss. But that's what was expected of me during my military career. I was just doing my duty. My wife thinks it's very strange that I stay so calm while everyone is freaking out, but she's glad that I'm like that.

Of course, I don't do much of that sort of thing these days. Now I'm just an old retired guy, enjoying what I want to do, instead of that sort of thing. And that suits me just fine.

Commander Wallace · 09-18-23, 09:36 AM

The military service of a number of our Subsim respondents in this thread is certainly a factor in not panicking under stressful circumstances. To that, I would only add that It's also a matter of character as well. Various military branches create psychological profiles of it's service members and do various testing of it's members with regards to creating artificial elements of stressful conditions to see how it's members respond. It's basically part of a vetting process. This is true of it's Special Forces, Aircraft and Submarine operations among many others specialties.

In teaching motorcycle safety to new riders, I have seen this as well. No one can predict what dangers a new rider will face or even those riders who have been riding motorcycles a long time. As part of the curriculum, I routinely stress looking and visually scanning ahead for hidden dangers. I have told them assume cars don't see you and Will pull out in front of you in your lane of travel. Using external lighting and wearing bright colors so you are noticed and seen can minimize those dangers. It's the little things that can reduce stress and give those individuals a nice, pleasant ride.

As in martial arts, once an individual has " muscle memory, " they can move fast with little stimuli. Training makes all the difference. If you look at the events of Apollo 13 where the the service module was dangerously compromised by oxygen canisters exploding and the 3 astronauts very lives were in serious jeopardy. This is an example of days of stressful conditions with very little if any sleep.

Working together and the military way of breaking a large problem into small pieces certainly saved the day along with some luck in bringing those astronauts home. Certainly their respective intelligence and training and the way they all handled stress played a role in bringing them home safely.

mapuc · 09-18-23, 10:52 AM

Remember a discussion I have had with my Mom about certain work and panicking.

My Mom said-airlines pilot are human too.
I replied-Oh yea, but when the stuff hit the fan while they are airborne, they have to keep calm to 110 %.

Markus

Gorpet · 09-22-23, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The military service of a number of our Subsim respondents in this thread is certainly a factor in not panicking under stressful circumstances. To that, I would only add that It's also a matter of character as well. Various military branches create psychological profiles of it's service members and do various testing of it's members with regards to creating artificial elements of stressful conditions to see how it's members respond. It's basically part of a vetting process. This is true of it's Special Forces, Aircraft and Submarine operations among many others specialties.

In teaching motorcycle safety to new riders, I have seen this as well. No one can predict what dangers a new rider will face or even those riders who have been riding motorcycles a long time. As part of the curriculum, I routinely stress looking and visually scanning ahead for hidden dangers. I have told them assume cars don't see you and Will pull out in front of you in your lane of travel. Using external lighting and wearing bright colors so you are noticed and seen can minimize those dangers. It's the little things that can reduce stress and give those individuals a nice, pleasant ride.

As in martial arts, once an individual has " muscle memory, " they can move fast with little stimuli. Training makes all the difference. If you look at the events of Apollo 13 where the the service module was dangerously compromised by oxygen canisters exploding and the 3 astronauts very lives were in serious jeopardy. This is an example of days of stressful conditions with very little if any sleep.

Working together and the military way of breaking a large problem into small pieces certainly saved the day along with some luck in bringing those astronauts home. Certainly their respective intelligence and training and the way they all handled stress played a role in bringing them home safely.

In teaching motorcycle safety to new riders, I have seen this as well. No one can predict what dangers a new rider will face or even those riders who have been riding motorcycles a long time.

Commander i can tell you this, I live in Florida and it's a battle zone.I ride a motorcycle and down here i'm not worried about so much of the idiots in cars on their phones as i am the young idiots who ride motorcycles without out a valid driver's licenses and no insurance, On their back wheels if they hit me at 60 or 70 mph and i get killed.What do you think my wife and children should receive?

Commander Wallace · 09-22-23, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

Commander i can tell you this, I live in Florida and it's a battle zone.I ride a motorcycle and down here i'm not worried about so much of the idiots in cars on their phones as i am the young idiots who ride motorcycles without out a valid driver's licenses and no insurance, On their back wheels if they hit me at 60 or 70 mph and i get killed.What do you think my wife and children should receive?

I have been in Florida a good number of times. To be honest, You practically live in a combat zone with regards to riding a motorcycle in Florida. You're exactly right with regards to people being on their cell phones and texting but that's everywhere. Older people or " snowbirds " as they are called remain a constant danger. Some older drivers I have seen in Florida seem to have forgotten what a stop sign or light means.

There are constant dangers, such as the ones you and I mentioned and also wildlife too, among many others.

I certainly don't envy you riding a motorcycle there. The good news is that you have identified and recognize these dangers and can take whatever precautions you need to take, consistent with your own safety. No one can predict the unknown. The Motorcycle safety courses help to mitigate those dangers by teaching riders to search ahead for potential dangers and conditioning your own responses to those dangers so that the rider can react quickly and in a confident manner. Statistics seem to indicate they have had a positive effect but no system is perfect.

Stay safe and well on your Motorcycle, Gorpet.

Gorpet · 09-22-23, 11:39 PM

[QUOTE=Commander Wallace;2885448]I have been in Florida a good number of times. To be honest, You practically live in a combat zone with regards to riding a motorcycle in Florida. You're exactly right with regards to people being on their cell phones and texting but that's everywhere. Older people or " snowbirds " as they are called remain a constant danger. Some older drivers I have seen in Florida seem to have forgotten what a stop sign or light means.

There are constant dangers, such as the ones you and I mentioned and also wildlife too.

I certainly don't envy you riding a motorcycle there. The good news is you have identified and recognize these dangers and can take whatever precautions you need to, consistent with your own safety. No one can predict the unknown. The Motorcycle safety courses help to mitigate those dangers by searching ahead for potential dangers and conditioning your own responses to those dangers. Statistics seem to indicate they have had a positive effect but no system is perfect.

Stay safe and well on your Motorcycle, Gorpet.

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You didn't tell me what will be the consequences of young people who don't have a drivers licenses, no insurance and by their reckless actions kill people. What should we do with them ?

Oh and in your state do you have to add uninsured motorist? And who in the hell come up with that? If i don't keep insurance on every vehicle i own my drivers license and tags will be suspended. So why here in the Great Democracy of the United States and the Land of the Free do i have to pay for uninsured motorist ? And this is just another observation from a blue collar guy down on the bottom lookin up.

Commander Wallace · 09-22-23, 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=Gorpet;2885449]

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I have been in Florida a good number of times. To be honest, You practically live in a combat zone with regards to riding a motorcycle in Florida. You're exactly right with regards to people being on their cell phones and texting but that's everywhere. Older people or " snowbirds " as they are called remain a constant danger. Some older drivers I have seen in Florida seem to have forgotten what a stop sign or light means.

There are constant dangers, such as the ones you and I mentioned and also wildlife too.

I certainly don't envy you riding a motorcycle there. The good news is you have identified and recognize these dangers and can take whatever precautions you need to, consistent with your own safety. No one can predict the unknown. The Motorcycle safety courses help to mitigate those dangers by searching ahead for potential dangers and conditioning your own responses to those dangers. Statistics seem to indicate they have had a positive effect but no system is perfect.

Stay safe and well on your Motorcycle, Gorpet.

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You didn't tell me what will be the consequences of young people who don't have a drivers licenses, no insurance and by their reckless actions kill people. What should we do with them ?

Life in front of a firing squad springs to mind.

Gorpet · 09-23-23, 12:39 AM

[QUOTE=Commander Wallace;2885453]

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

Life in front of a firing squad springs to mind.

Oh, But No that answer could get you in front of a squad.Have a great weekend. It's been a good touch and go.

Buddahaid · 09-23-23, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Why do some people panic?....

For all matter of things that will make no sense to others.

I spent an hour as a hold up hostage decades ago, and learned I didn't panic in those situations. I now panic when remembering about some of the stupid climbing I did when I was younger.

Aktungbby · 09-23-23, 09:57 AM

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I only panic when Gorpet posts his lunacy in the forum!??

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

I only panic when Gorpet posts his lunacy in the forum!??

Tks.

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

and i get killed.What do you think my wife and children should receive?

Wha.....t!

That you have even managed to mate and breed offspring only confirms my original concerns?!!

Gorpet · 09-28-23, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Wha.....t!

That you have even managed to mate and breed offspring only confirms my original concerns?!!

Well yes,I have managed to mate and breed.And my offspring will examine our conversations.And if they feel your worthy and up to date they might reply, until then ya got me.

Gorpet · 09-28-23, 03:36 AM

Sorry Jeff, I know,The panic and fear you want to know about is being pissed off at another human being doing their job that forces you to become savage in a moment's' time.And it turns into acceptance. Now years later, When you give your first born the keys to their first car that's in your name. And you get a phone call hey dad i have a flat and i pulled the car into a ditch to get it off the road.Panic,one more time old man...

09-18-23, 10:52 AM	#18
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Remember a discussion I have had with my Mom about certain work and panicking. My Mom said-airlines pilot are human too. I replied-Oh yea, but when the stuff hit the fan while they are airborne, they have to keep calm to 110 %. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-22-23, 11:39 PM	#21
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 1,020 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	[QUOTE=Commander Wallace;2885448]I have been in Florida a good number of times. To be honest, You practically live in a combat zone with regards to riding a motorcycle in Florida. You're exactly right with regards to people being on their cell phones and texting but that's everywhere. Older people or " snowbirds " as they are called remain a constant danger. Some older drivers I have seen in Florida seem to have forgotten what a stop sign or light means. There are constant dangers, such as the ones you and I mentioned and also wildlife too. I certainly don't envy you riding a motorcycle there. The good news is you have identified and recognize these dangers and can take whatever precautions you need to, consistent with your own safety. No one can predict the unknown. The Motorcycle safety courses help to mitigate those dangers by searching ahead for potential dangers and conditioning your own responses to those dangers. Statistics seem to indicate they have had a positive effect but no system is perfect. Stay safe and well on your Motorcycle, Gorpet. [/QUO You didn't tell me what will be the consequences of young people who don't have a drivers licenses, no insurance and by their reckless actions kill people. What should we do with them ? Oh and in your state do you have to add uninsured motorist? And who in the hell come up with that? If i don't keep insurance on every vehicle i own my drivers license and tags will be suspended. So why here in the Great Democracy of the United States and the Land of the Free do i have to pay for uninsured motorist ? And this is just another observation from a blue collar guy down on the bottom lookin up. Last edited by Gorpet; 09-23-23 at 12:13 AM.

09-18-23, 12:40 AM	#16
Oubaas Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 376 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	No. I don't remember ever panicking about anything, even as a kid. And if I ever did harbor the tendency, my military career certainly extinguished it. I can remember standing there calmly talking to people with my own meat hanging out, taking care of business before allowing them to provide me with medical treatment. I remember grabbing people under water, calming them down, and untangling their gear for them. And pulling people out of riptides in (which I was playing zoom and laughing silently) while they were panicking and trying to drown themselves. I can also recall taking care of matters at hand while everyone else was literally curled up in the fetal position on the ground and all hell was breaking loose around us. I was sure that I was going to die that day. But I didn't. I stay calm even in the most dire circumstances, and tend to take charge, give orders, and correct whatever is amiss. But that's what was expected of me during my military career. I was just doing my duty. My wife thinks it's very strange that I stay so calm while everyone is freaking out, but she's glad that I'm like that. Of course, I don't do much of that sort of thing these days. Now I'm just an old retired guy, enjoying what I want to do, instead of that sort of thing. And that suits me just fine.

09-18-23, 09:36 AM	#17
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,316 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	The military service of a number of our Subsim respondents in this thread is certainly a factor in not panicking under stressful circumstances. To that, I would only add that It's also a matter of character as well. Various military branches create psychological profiles of it's service members and do various testing of it's members with regards to creating artificial elements of stressful conditions to see how it's members respond. It's basically part of a vetting process. This is true of it's Special Forces, Aircraft and Submarine operations among many others specialties. In teaching motorcycle safety to new riders, I have seen this as well. No one can predict what dangers a new rider will face or even those riders who have been riding motorcycles a long time. As part of the curriculum, I routinely stress looking and visually scanning ahead for hidden dangers. I have told them assume cars don't see you and Will pull out in front of you in your lane of travel. Using external lighting and wearing bright colors so you are noticed and seen can minimize those dangers. It's the little things that can reduce stress and give those individuals a nice, pleasant ride. As in martial arts, once an individual has " muscle memory, " they can move fast with little stimuli. Training makes all the difference. If you look at the events of Apollo 13 where the the service module was dangerously compromised by oxygen canisters exploding and the 3 astronauts very lives were in serious jeopardy. This is an example of days of stressful conditions with very little if any sleep. Working together and the military way of breaking a large problem into small pieces certainly saved the day along with some luck in bringing those astronauts home. Certainly their respective intelligence and training and the way they all handled stress played a role in bringing them home safely.

09-28-23, 03:36 AM	#27
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 1,020 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Sorry Jeff, I know,The panic and fear you want to know about is being pissed off at another human being doing their job that forces you to become savage in a moment's' time.And it turns into acceptance. Now years later, When you give your first born the keys to their first car that's in your name. And you get a phone call hey dad i have a flat and i pulled the car into a ditch to get it off the road.Panic,one more time old man...