Graf Zeppelin wreck found!

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You're right, having a Republican President does not make a US soldier "an ultra-republican believer", but it still makes him a US soldier. The German soldier and sailor may not have been a Nazi, he may have even been doing this against his will, but he was sure doing a good job of it.

Neal I really don't follow you here, but it might be the language barrier.

Let me see, you think (as I do) that US soldiers being deployed overseas today doesn't mean that they are republicans, and that they are US soldiers, not republican soldiers. So far ,so good.

But, while that holds true for US soldiers it doesn't apply to WW2 german soldiers?. A German soldier was a NAZI soldier, not a German soldier?.


Have to disagree with you here. Some german soldiers deployed during WW2 were Nazis, but the average soldier was a GERMAN soldier, not a Nazi one.



Another thing I'd like to mention:

it's not generally meant as a slight to those honorable Kriegsmarine men who were drowning American, Canadian, and British sailors in the cold Atlantic swells.

I guess that US Navy men who were drowning japanese sailors in the pacific and SRA zone were better because they let them drown in "hot" waters?...(we won't mention sharks here).

U-boat sailors were not more dis-honourable for sinking merchant ships in the atlantic than what US sailors doing the same in the Far East could be, neal. They all played the same game. It's called "war" and it's hell, and you can hardly blame those who played a part on it...but yet if you do, place that blame on ALL those who did similar things, not only on a minority, and just because they lost the war.

Please, make up your mind, either all submarine sailors of WW2 which conducted anti-merchant operations were dis-honourable, or they all were honourable. But you can't have the "Kriegsmarine ones weren't, but US ones were" when both navy's submarine forces conducted pretty similar submarine offensives on other merchant navies during the war.

In short, no two-standards ,please, Neal...

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One little thing I'd like to add. I'm not german and have no german relatives or ascendancy. I'm Spanish.

It's just that seen from the "outside", I think is unfair to qualify a collective of soldiers because of the ideology of the leadership of the nation they belonged to.

I also think it's unfair to place such a blame on a collective were so many innocent people were placed, people who just fought for their country and lifes not for hitler.

There is a certain deal of blame to put on the germans and wehrmacht for what happened during WW2 and in the years prior to it, I agree with that. But not enough to go as far as calling every german soldier a "nazi" soldier.

That's going too far, at least from my point of view (that I like to think it's as objective, unbiased and neutral as you can get).

[Dowly]

IMO, the ship was GERMAN. The country was GERMANY. The people that lived in the country were GERMAN. The political faction that ruled the country was NAZI party.

If a country would be run by a republican, would all the ships be 'republic destroyer', 'republic carrier' etc.?

Originally Posted by Dowly

IMO, the ship was GERMAN. The country was GERMANY. The people that lived in the country were GERMAN. The political faction that ruled the country was NAZI party.

If a country would be run by a republican, would all the ships be 'republic destroyer', 'republic carrier' etc.?

Good Point Dowly!