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Don’t think I’ll be purchasing a PICO VR headset
TikTok, Hospitals And Tutoring Apps: The Many Tentacles Of Chinese Tech Giant ByteDance https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexand...h=434330446d23 Alexandra S. Levine Forbes Staff I'm a senior writer covering social media and online culture. Emily Baker-White Forbes Staff Aug 24, 2022,06:30am EDT Quote:
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Didnt know that, good to learn that.
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Coming later this year. And I am wondering - is this really my kind of humour?
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Quest 3 is coming. Interesting, but I have unanswered questions (battery life, Google-Earth cvapable, quality of hand tracking). I have no needs and cravings currently, so I can wait and see how customers review it once it is out. I would like to play Eleven Table Tennis and First Person Tennis again, however, so I pin a note to myself about this on my mental blackboard.
2064 × 2208 pixels per eye, OLED display at 120 Hz - thats very good! My G2 Reverb has 2160x2160. Meta Oculus Quest 3 specifications leak SoC Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 Resolution (Per-eye) 2064 × 2208 Display type LCD Refresh rate120Hz Field of view Unknown Lenses Pancake Features Hand tracking, PC compatibility, voice commands, wireless, Mixed reality Controllers Unknown Weight Unknown Price $499
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This explains how to run Google Earth/Streetview VR on Quest 2 (which out of the box will not run it).
https://vrlowdown.com/google-earth-vr-on-quest-2/
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After several years of having been withdrawn from the shop, SKYBOX VR is available again in the Steam shop.
Its a video file player, it plays practically every sort of video store don the HD, also seems to allo9w strwemaing of youtube and such channels, and iof you use a Quest, you can even strema to severla units simultaneously. I know it form my time wiht the Rift, and liked it very much, due to the very beauitiful movie room and the complication-free operation. You can seat near the screen, in the kiddle of the hall, or far back, also cna alter the lights. Really, its a pleasure to watch something on screen in this cinema hall. I may not have fully understood it, by possibly different VR headsets vary in the functionality, namely the onöine web streaming. This is no Bluray or DVD player, however. For that and in VR, you need Power DVD or Leovo and operate them via Virtual Desktop and its many beautiful moviehalls. So, its not really a must-have, but I wanted to mention it since I always liked it, and since it does well what it does and looks really good. ![]() CLICK ON PICTURE (TWICE) ![]() I do not watch TV that much anymore, and not many movies at all, but when I do watch a DVD or Bluray, I exclusively watch it in one of my half a dozen private movie halls I now "own". Its fantastic once one understood how to set it up.
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I am considering to get the Quest 3 later this autumn when it gets released. Twice as fast as the 2, 30% more resolution, slimmer design, and the option to see your room on screen (in colour, it seems) and the gameworld projected in/on it.
I am still happy with my G2. But I want to get VR for my parents. Google Earth is not available for Quest 2, but maybe they bring it for the 3 since it is has so much more processing power, however with "Wanderer" you have access to the Streetview part of the Google title, and it seems to run as smooth as in Earth. I also want to allow my parents to watch nature and citytour movies on the big screen like I do, and 360° videos and such, And who knows, maybe I can turn them into Table Tennis Cracks, at mid-70s there is still time to improve, eh? LOL The idea is that it is maybe no total failure if they cannot get along with it, turn into vomitting zombies or fall out of the window when they see its a door. Because I am interested in it, too, since players say already for the Quest 2 that some of the sports titles I dearly miss - Eleven Table Tennis and First Person Tennis topping the list, but also The Thrill of the Fight which is a fantastic shadow boxing simulator - seem to play very well on the Quest 2. The problem with the G2 is that the hand tracking is not too good, so the precision when stroking/hitting the ball is not high enough, especially in table tennis that is a killer problem. Thats why I dont play them on the G2. I also would not mind to watch a longer youtube movie not wired to my PC and sitting at the desk, but on the balcony or laying on the bed. And playing tennis must be a joy without the cables interfering with your wide arm movements (I use to really fully swing out the strike like I did in real tennis, not just whipping a shot with a short flip of my hand: its like with any sim there ever were: you get back what you put into it). So, the money wouldn't be lost if my parents dont use it, I could make good use of it myself. Heck, I even did a few online maqtches in FPT Tennis when I still used the Rift 1. And heck, how nice that was! I was lucky to meet polite players. So far its just my guess that maybe Google Earth will come to Quest 3, finally, since the processor doubles the power over the Quest 2. But Google has formally ended development of Google Earth already years ago, and "killed" the team, so... On the othert hand there were a few small maintenance updates, so maybe they still can opt for directing team ressoruces to it where they see a need. Having Streetview in Wander already is great, getting the rest of Earth along with it would be fantastic. Earth alone justifies to get a VR headset, its a true killer app. Connecting the Quest 3 via wire to the small laptop of my parents wich runs under Linux is no option: wrong OS, and too low calculation power. But now you know that even a Quest 2 owener can get to enjoy Earth - he only has to connect his set to the PC via wire. ----------------- Neal, I know you got yourself a Quest 2 recently, I would like to hear if you have anything worth to mention, any cautioning words or enthusiastic outbursts? And how does Yioutube work on it, good enough? My parents are old, but my Mom is still fit in her head, still things must be really easy in handling if its too complicated, then its all in vein. Also, is there the option to use sort of a webbrower by which you can access a TV broadcaster's public media library, for exmaple?
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![]() For those who are still in wait on VR, this might be the one headset you have been waiting for to let yourself getting convinced. No wonder that HP, who made the G2, dropped otu of the VR business, its hard to develepe and commercially compete if you are up against a company so dedicated to developing VR. The video expresses some sort of doubts on thje controllers, which will not be bad in themselves,k but that of the Pro mighgt be better. I red somewhere the Pro Controllers can be bought separately and work with the 3. I cannot tell you whether this was just rumour, or fact. In Germany, the price will be around 550 coins at launch.
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A very nice illustration why I want First Person Tennis back in my active game collection. Beside Eleven the best realistic sports simulation on VR. With a human opponent even better. When I played it until two year ago with my old Rift, I made the same mistakes (usually standing/positioning errors) and got the same consequences like I got in real tennis back then. Below the belt - leg work - obviously is not on the menu, but above belt - arms work and body work - it is very, very close to the real thing, if you out the effort into it. The way I played it, which was very very engaged, it had workout qulity for me: racing pulse, lots of sweat, comparable to what I have when jogging. Just do nto just stand and woith a lack of interest move your ahnd as if holding a pencil, but do the real swing deal, find the correct stand in relation to the ball and strike you plan to do - then its a fantastic experience.
The player in the video is not even a good one, but the video shows better than most others what it looks like from the players perspective. Maybe I will need to buy TWO Quest 3s. One for my parents - and one for myself. ![]() Edit: the developer says the dedicated version for the Quest works significantly better than the Steam version played with Link-cable on PC.
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I want my game back...!
![]() Its decided, no matter why parent's intwerest, for myself I will get a Quest 3 anyway. I just need these two games again, before I become even fatter than I already got in the 36 months without them. ![]() These two videos make me confident about the hand tracking. On the G2 that is what makes both games practically unplayable. A club player's assessment:
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On the controllers for Quest 3. Seem to be very precise, and latency within limits.
https://mixed-news.com/en/quest-3-co...cking-quality/ Touch Pro Controllers from the - underwhelmingly received and overpriced - Quest Pro can be used. The Mixed Reality - named Passthrough - of the Quest 3 will be in colour, and is sharp enough so that you can text on your smartphone or read your watch. Also, as far as I believe to have understood, it pictures your surrounding in stereoscopic 3D, too. Apps must apparently support this feature, though the Quest 2 allows manual activation for a certain time by doing some gesture trick with the hand near your headset. I strongly assume this is present in the Quest 3, too. Not just people with kids will like this feature. And here are some gadgets I find to be very useful. Warmth, lense fogging and sweat is a problem under the mask, especially if you run a sports or workout title. Although I read the Quest 3 is cooler than other masks: I beleiuve it when I see it. A ventilator pointing to your face is a must in VR anyway, but something like this also is good and is a must for me when I did my workouts with BoxVR (still the best of its kind imo even if they do not sell it anymore, the successor looks much inferior): ![]() With Golf+ and Walkabout Minigolf there are at least two very popular Golf titles, and when you swing your irons, you may want to use one of these sticks, which come in many models from various brands, some of them exactly mimicking the weight of a real Golf bat. Stick. Racket. What were they called like? ![]() ![]() The lock must of course match the form of the handcontroller. Not any controller may work on any such stick. Most are for the Quest 1+2. The new Quest 3 controllers have no tracking rings anymore, so one has to wait for producers to adapt. And very interesting for me: table tennis grips. Because like in "big" tennis, you may want to change your hand's grip around the paddle's grip depending on your strikes. Thats not working too well with VR default controllers. If you are serious about table tennis, you NEED something like this. If you just pingpong a bit, you dont. ![]() Needless to say, such grips also exist for pistols and rifles. When I row with Mirage Kayak I use to additionally hold a bar in both hands, plus the controllers. It helps to make much more natural and realistic arm movements, this improves technique, this improves speed, stability, manouverability It slike with any sim: what you put into it is what you get out from it. Approach it like an arcade game, and arcade is what the title gives you back. Approach it with an attitude of matching the real thing, and you get much more realism out of it. Its like that with flight sims. Racing sims. And realistic sports sims in VR as well. Finally, this trailer, its the usual commercial picture stuff, but from 00:00:35 on you get an idea what Passthrough (mixed reality) with the Quest 3 is about, what the idea behind it is. The AI in the headset is described to be able by itself to identify reasonable spaces in the real world where to project VR content, and scaling it correctly. It is also to be used for the guardian system that projects a virtual cage or warnings into your field of vision when you approach the limit of the real world space that you defined in the setup to be your playing area, so now you have the pleasure to see the cupboard in real time that you are about to slam into. That allows for just panic screams just in time. LOL The Quest 2 will be on sale for some time after release, it already is (~ 320 coins over here), but be aware that you get some less technology with it: 50% less processing power, 40% less resolution, black/white and pixelated 2D Passthrough , slightly thicker size. The official Quest shop holds over 500 games and apps, Quest 3 is said by Meta to be compatible with them. The boss of the VR department at Meta says the Quest 3 starts the real phase 2.0 in VR, and by the printed stuff so far I wonder how it could not be so, this could become a market breakthrough. Something tells me that Apple can pack its thing and leave. Their price tag for their headset is ridiculous.
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On the controllers of the Quest Pro. Pricey, but sexy, self-tracking. If need be, one can buy these seperately for the Quest 1-3.
https://mixed-news.com/en/metas-new-...dded-features/ The controllers that come with the Quest 2. They seem to pass the test with flying colours. https://mixed-news.com/en/quest-3-co...cking-quality/
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Thanks, Neal.
So I would expect the Quest 3 to have noticably better image quality, due to better lenses than the G2 and higher resolution than the Quest 2 (comparable to the G2), it should in total be at least as good as the G2, if not very slighly better. G2 versus Quest 2: ![]() You may want to check a (free) software named BigScreen. It includes a huge collection of places with smaller or bigger screens on which the desktop is mirrored, and other guests can be invited into these rooms to chat or view content together: classrooms, living rooms, moviehalls. The social thing may be uninteresting, but think of this: mirroring the desktop on such a moviescreen, for example, starting youtube and then have the content maximised to full screen on the real monitor means you watch that content in moviescreen format in VR. Or this: I play Wreckfest in this way, which ahs no native VR support. Its still 2D, but I do not play on a small montior, but on a screen the soze of a squash field! Visually, that is a game changer, even if just 2D. I do that a very lot via another software, VirtualDesktop, and even watch movies via DVD and bluray that way - on screens the size of cinemas screens. I think that is absolutely fantastic! I take from your words that the handling and launching of software and of youtube in the Quest is not overly complicated. I ask from the perspective of my old parents. And do yourself a favour. Get Eleven Table Tennis. Best and most realistic sports simulation you have ever played, promised. Its surreal how good it is.
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I played table tennis again today!
![]() ![]() Got the Quest 3 today. Installation went without a flaw, I had prepared the software on the tablet already yesterday, and on PC (for Airlink streaming, untested so far). Last time I had an Oculus was the Rift, and I now come form a G2 Reverb (discontinued by HP by now). I had to access the WLAN, and then to link to the tablet. Scanning the QR code form screen did not work for me, like for many others, but manualyl typing in the codes worked flawlessly. The hardware has a very good feel, the handles are heavy and like made for my hands, the feeling of the buttons and sticks is just - perfect. The headste is lighter thna the G2, the strap is to be repalced, but doe sits job meanwhile. The case again feels valuabvly, well-made. The box these three come in, is a luxury item almost, very heavy, build to last, idela to store the gadgets away when not in use. Very good first impressions, like I expected from MetaformerOculus. I liked the Rift back in its days, and its handles. This hardware even feels much better. But when I first put the mask on (all conneciton and such is done form inside the mask), I was almost shocked, I did not saw this coming. The image quality is - well, it blows the G2 out of the water.. Absolutely stunning. No pixels. No Gorrays, no screendoor efect, not fresnel lense artifactsa - nothing, as smooth and clear the image is as if looking at a normal LCD screen. Next shock - it was not the usual VR darkness greeting me when putting the mask on, but there wa slight and colour - I saw my living room around me, surprisngly sharp where the tbalelmap lit it up, a bit granular in darker parts of the room (at time of sunset and overcast sky). And coloured. I could read book print, I could read my tablet, I could read the PC monitor. I could reliable grab things and even pince tiny things between pointing finger and thumb - the perception of depth works well enough. That thign even reocnginses my hands and fingers without holding a controller! I did not knew this and so I did not expect this. This was far more than what I expected to get: a secondary "junior" headset that is mobile and thus weak in power - in fact it almost outclasses the G2. I launched the demo, the game witt that ufo in your room form the video above. I scnaned my room, that was already fun, sort of. An then the ufo landed, not on the floor, but on the bad, the elevated surface was correctly reocngised. Then the alien fuzzballs started to get all over the place, and they hid behind objects and furniture, I had scanned the kitchen as well and so I ended upo running aorudn in my flat, chasing little aliens, all the time I saw my surrounding and my furnitures and my apartment. Wowh! It dawned on my that this was somethign much bigger than I had anticipated. And then I bliught Eleven Table Tennis, as you know by now, one of my favourites. The menu was reworked, and to my surprise I ther eis now an option for passtrough scneery, your room, that is. I picked that immediately, and really was blown awa ynext, there I was, with a tbasletennis table in the middle of my main room, and I coudl see my place and palyed table tennis in my place, and the feeling was perfect and the handtracking (the big archilles heel of the G2) was a dream, worked flawlessly, even in lower light conditions. Its absolutely fantastic! ![]() Also, being cableless now is a big, big liberation. PC not needed as long as you do not stream stuff from PC. The German package comes with a free copy of the new Asgard's Wrath game, not already avalable, but I got my download copy reserved for free. Not my kind fo game nromally, but I will try it, the reviews are stellar. There are some more games I will try with this new headset, and I will post updates on the experinces with them. Tomorrow I will try Airlink and how well PC-based VR titles work. I am very confident. Google Earth is on my mind of course, and stremaing from the Bluray playe ron PC and watching my movie in the big cienemy - but this time sitting anywhere I want in my place, feeling utmost comfortable. So far, first contact with the Quest 3 leaves an utmost excellent impressions. I am all in. The o nyl disadvanatge is that the battery runs for 2 hours only, that will be helped with a better strip and additional battery, doubling this time to 4 hours then, but it is not yet available over here. I will not get the charger, its not needed, but an additional silicon frame for the mask's rims, and when availab le: a table tennis grip to give it a more natural feel. Visually, the screens of these things now have left all the early beginning's probolems behind the,m , and the image quality really is excellent. The G2 has SLIGHTLY more pixels per ye, but it has a hotspot in the centre where oyu see sharp, and the image becomes blurry near the egdes. The Quest 3 is crytsal-sharp from centre to rim, all screen, and loosk as if it offered a higher resolution as well! Fresnel lenses versus pancake lenses - the last battle has been fought, the war is decided. I'm happy and do not regret to have bought it. Not one bit. I am enthusiastic, to be more precise. Some passthrough stuff: Eleven (mind you, the room is real, no computer location): Piano Vision (yes, I am still doing the piano!) And the free game in the German combo, Asgard'S Wrath:
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