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I advocate since always that one also learns the old manual skills. I know that the brain gets materially altered and changed by manual work, and work with hands. Handwriting instead of typing, for example.
I use a navigation app when doping long bike tours, but I can also handle maps and compass, in civilised places as well as in the open wild. I can handle a sextant (learned it for interest, had a simple one from my grandfather), and I learned at least the basics for using a slide rule. I would add chess as a general tool to alter cognitive performance for the better, and teach discipline, precision, concentration, patience, memorizing. I also would add playing a musical instrument. Well - I try, but I am late... ![]() And then came the Japanese and stunned me again, with this: ![]() Now I compare this with the German school system: 1. don't care about the actual performance level of the students. 2. abolish school grades in the subjects... 3. ... and replace them with verbal descriptions of social behavior, of course with positive connotations only, so that self-esteem is not hurt. 4. do not define the successfulness of the school system by absolvents' performance in studies and profession... 5. and fight school performance decline by lowering the performance level to guarantee consistently good ratings. 6. declare school grade comparisons in final reports from different states with different good school standards as "antisocial". 7. restrict the right of parents to choose their school, so that enough children have to go to bad schools to keep them alive - with their messed up chances for a better life. No kidding. That's actually how it is in many states.
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And this as a follow-up film, just for curiopsity. Interesting, and very sympathetic. Could you imagine this behaviour becoming a norm in individuality-obsessed Europe or America?
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The abacus, I remember that. In the sixties we were taught to use one in Minnesota’s elementary school system (grades 4-6). Though it was more of a novelty than serious education. Unfortunately it wasn’t part of any curriculum afterwards. Most likely deemed by the powers that be as something unnecessary.
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Good grammar, back to the school Rockstar!!
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We should replace bingo with this immediately.
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If one keeps the left eye closed and sings the Rudel's song, then yes, none of that is true.
BTW I knew and know teachers in Berlin, Bremen and Wismar. They are cursing the system. And their union.
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Sure. For all those with at least half an open mind: the German education system suffers from a lot of problems, but Skybird didn't mention a single one of them. Instead he mentioned typical right wing propaganda made by old men who last saw the inside of a school when they were students half a century ago. Last edited by Ostfriese; 03-15-23 at 06:59 AM. |
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If you say so. I do not parrot the offical proganda, that I am certainly guilty of and that is what makes me unwelcomed.
The policy in SPD run states as well as the development of performance/skill indices over the past ten years speak a clear language, and what it says is no compliment. The growing performance deficits get hidden by manipulating the notes system, and the verbally glossing it. Itr even happens that the political administration orders for a wanted minimum note avergae in classes and so teachers have no other choice than to rate exams better than the work deserves. And this I know from teachers. Add to this a growing numerical deficit in teachers due to demographic changes, an extremely far left leaning union, and school buildings in most shabby states due to lacking financial funds for renovations, plus a growing ideological indoctrination that replaces solid basic education in reading, writing, math and a basic understanding in science and history. I base not only on what I read in the media, but what I got in live feedback from mentioned teachers, who are family members of former friends of mine from studying times. My grandfather was teacher, too, but this just as an anecdote. I was at a very good and prestigious school in West Berlin, back then we had a very strong focus on natural sciences and math, three quarterss of the teachers were men, and many teacher were very, very good, we liked them and respected them. No dancing course. No school orchestra. Plenty of voluntary "AGs" (work groups, hobby groups) mostly focussing on sciences again, astronomy, microscopy, practical excursions. Now they have: three quarters of the teachers are women. Five school orchestras, several dance courses, for some years they had no history courses and only in two class ranks biology until they were forced by superior authoprities to bring these back into the schedule, and in math and sciences students can do only the basic minimums in hours that the government demands as minimums. The focus and priorities have clearly shifted, and the teaching has been clearly "feminised". And it is Berlin. Across Germany, the performance indices have dropped in recent 30 years. The rate of early leavers from school is climbing. The quota of students not able to correctly read and write or do basic maths, is climbingg. Where Germany has improved in international comparisons, this is explained by that the others to which you compare them dropped even further, and these usually all are in the West, not in Asia. At the same time universities complain about that new students are lacking more and more in most profound skills and abilities to start studying, starting with understanding written questions, handwriting with correct spelling and grammar, or doing simple mathematical calculations like addition, subtraction, rule of three or simple fractions. When you compare that decline to how the kids get almost militarily drilled in asian states (I do not say that that is the ideal, I only point out the obvious differences), then you know how the chances of German students internationally are, and how their chances are to sustain the German economy in the future. We know since long where the preferances of most students are: Germans tend to favour soft and social subjects and humanities, Germanistik, Psychologie ![]() In Asia it is more or less the other way around. Add to this the massive brain drain Germany has and that politicians try to hide at all cost from public awareness. But there is a significant net drain. Add to it the probably highest electricity prices in the West. Add to it the highest tax burden in global comparison. All this contributes to the attrarctiveness - or lack of - in global economic competition. The rotting of traffic infrastructure. Bridges. Germany produces too little students of the kind it needs, too many of those that end as receivers of subventions and social wellfare, it drives away too many skilled or highly qualified people or parents with young families - and all the time scares away guest workers for example in the IT sector or healthcare that after a year are so pissed by Germany that they leave early again, and then we import more migration than we cannot afford and digest and most of these we either do not let work or they do not want to work and so the vast majority of that migration ends up as a net movemet into the social wellfare system. I think that are enough reasons why I formulated ironically in the beginning. But irony, even sarcasm, does not mean that I am not right. It indicates my level of frustration, and anger.
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a) many school buildings having been built in the late 1960s or during the 1970s and now reaching a state in which they require serious modernization efforts. b) school buildings being paid from county or local budgets rather than state or federal budgets - and with the counties, cities and other communes being chronically underfinanced, thanks to the "Schwarze Null" (literally "black zero", meaning no new debts made by the federal government), which was by the way implemented by the conservative CDU and the neo-liberal FDP. Quote:
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For the non-Germans: German secondary education offers three tiers. the lowest tier was originally called the "Volksschule", was renamed to "Hauptschule" in the 1960s, and offered a basic education up until grade/year 9, and it was meant to teach the typical blue-collar work force. The intermediate tier is called "Realschule" and offers an education up until grade/year 10, with the aim of creating the foundation for all sorts of artisans and craftspeople, but also for many jobs in administration, accounting and many more. Both tiers lead to degrees that require further schooling in vocational schools, which is done once or twice a week during the apprenticeship years. Many jobs which require a college degree in English speaking countries ar done in vocational education in Germany. The upper tier ("Gymnasium", which has nothing to do with the English gym) offers 13 years of education and is supposed to create the basis for studying at a university. Guess which tier receives the highest budgets and has most available teachers. Quote:
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But as long as healthcare is supposed to be a profitable business we are heading down right the same way as the US - ever increasing costs for health care with ever decreasing services, while a few rich ****ers drain the money from the system. Quote:
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Today I have learned - once again - that everything somebody, in this case you, does not like me to say, is rightwing hogwash. In politics the Greens and the Left swing the Nazi club when meeting opposition, and activists of this and that Zeitgeist-equivalent like pro-gender, anti-Israel, feminist sexism, call racism! and x-y-z-phobia! when one does not agree with their claims and demands. So, evertyhing like usual in dear old Germany.
And just for the record, I sometimes refer to an author who put something up at the Achse, yes, and I am also aware of the diverse and varying background and quality of their stuff. The problem maybe is: you are not, and just generalise everything published there. But some of the authors there really know their stuff, and know it damn well, like Gunnar Heinsohn whom I often quoted, and for damn good reason. Ah, wait, i forgot, he is rightwinged hogwash . Sorry, I forgot. If you get so many trees thrown at you, you sometimes simply fail to see the forest. BTW, my preferred German-tongue media is the Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung. Germany has no equivalent in quality to it. On the education topic, on a few things we maybe agree, and on most things I stubbornly object to you, due to my own views and also due to what people told me over the years form their work as teachers, I know 4 teachers from Bremen, Wismar and Berlin, thats three federal states, and all are left-run. The GEW is counted - even outside Germany - as one of the leftiest unions in Europe (and that means something if you look at France and Italy...), and that is no wonder, since since the "68er" revolt the public education sector and the media in germany have been systematically infiltrated and brought under now practically undisputed control by the left and ultra-left. Well, whatever.
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If this is true, Where did Germany get It's abilities and acumen in such things as engineering ? Certainly, if students and children in Germany weren't pushed to work hard in school, this wouldn't be the case. |
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Don't know about Europe but that has always been the norm here in the Land of the Free. Every store, school, large business, government building and police office has a lost and found bin and our people will go to great lengths to return found items to their owners. Our news media is filled with such stories. Sometimes they even purchase things like military medals or old personal letters from a reseller and do their own research to get the items back to the family, sometimes at great personal expense too. I watched one example of this the other day. Group of Utah You-tubers recovered a speed boat that sank in Lake Mead 30 years earlier, hauled it back to their shop, cleaned and restored it to running condition and then located the original owners and gave it back to them. Another popular channel called Adventures with Purpose locates missing people and their vehicles from the bottom of lakes and rivers.
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