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Old 02-24-23, 07:57 AM   #10036
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Almost the whole world is behind Ukraine? Far from it

Behind the noble statements of Baerbock, Biden and others, a vast country is opening up, populated by pacifists, sanctions boycotters and hard-core political opponents of Ukraine. Is solidarity with Ukraine eroding?

Last night in New York, the UN General Assembly again called for a withdrawal of Russian troops by a large majority. 141 of the 193 member states voted in favor of a resolution to that effect. Earlier, in an emotional speech, our Foreign Minister appealed for support for Ukraine, which is fighting for its freedom: "Each and every one of us here today has the opportunity to contribute to this peace plan. By telling the aggressor to stop. "

Just days ago, in a risky venture for him personally, Joe Biden visited Kiev by train and assured the head of the government there, Selenskyj, of his solidarity. "You remind us that freedom is priceless. We will be by your side, Mr. President: for as long as it takes. "

The inconvenient truth is this: It is getting lonely for Ukraine and its wartime president

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is in no less combative mood as she presented the new package of sanctions against Russia: "Together we are tightening the noose around Russia. "

Words can change the world, it is often said. But they can also form a smokescreen that makes it difficult for contemporary witnesses to see through the power relations that lie behind them. So then, on the anniversary of the Russian invasion, wish and reality are out of sight in the fog of words. "In the beginning was the word - in the end the phrase," the Polish poet Stanisław Jerzy Lec once said.

For the uncomfortable truth is this: It is getting lonely for Ukraine and its war president. Behind the noble statements of Baerbock, Biden and others, a vast country is opening up, populated by pacifists, sanctions boycotters and hard-core political opponents of Ukraine. And all three groups, which makes the development so dangerous for Ukraine, are at home in the democratic states of this world.

1. the profiteers

There are still states and companies that buy from Russia for economic reasons - including sanctioned goods.

Poland, for example, continues to buy Russian oil even after the oil embargo. In early February, Maciej Małecki, state secretary at the Ministry of State Property, admitted that Poland continues to buy ten percent of its oil - 20,000 tons per month - from Russia. He said the contract with Russian gas producer Tatneft could not be terminated or compensation payments would be due. Solidarity by class.

Pipelines: Europe continues to buy

To date, there is no EU gas embargo. Although gas no longer flows through Nordstream 1 and 2, Russia delivers its gas via other routes. The Transgas and Turkstream pipelines are active, and the Russians are also heavily involved in the liquids business. Around 500 million cubic meters of pipeline gas per week and 1500 cubic meters of LNG per month are currently imported by the EU. The top buyers include France, Spain and Belgium, according to price information service ICS.

Sanctioned goods from Russia - for example cement, caviar, gold, plastics and wood - also continue to find their way, including to Germany. Robert Habeck's Ministry of Economics is now admitting for the first time that the sanctions offer many loopholes that are used by states and companies. "It is obvious that sanctions are being circumvented here. "

Europe buys Russian gas

India is the typical beneficiary, as this world's largest democracy seized the opportunity to import cheaply the quantities of Russian oil and gas freed up by Western restraint. Unlike Poland, India cannot even bring itself to clearly condemn the Ukraine war. The country is trying to capitalize on the conflict.

2. The pacifist-minded

All over the world, a pacifist sentiment has spread, ostensibly promoting a quick and non-violent end to the war, but with it Ukraine's surrender and lack of freedom.

The Manifesto for Peace, initiated by Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Schwarzer, gathers people like Antje Vollmer, Margot Käßmann, but also conservative politicians like Peter Gauweiler, who do not want to deliver any more weapons to Ukraine and thus leave it defenseless to Russian aggression: "We call on the German Chancellor to stop the escalation of arms deliveries."

3. the political opponents

This group is the most dangerous for Ukraine because it is particularly active in the U.S., attacking Ukraine's main sponsor, the government in Washington. Donald Trump's conservative challenger, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, unequivocally opposes military aid from Joe Biden's administration. "Just saying it's an open-ended blank check, that is not acceptable."

Continuing, "I and many Americans think to ourselves, okay, he's very concerned about the borders on the other side of the world. He hasn't done anything to secure our own border here at home. "

Donald Trump doesn't want to miss this train, which is on a high-speed collision course with Washington. In a fundraising appeal to finance his campaign, he promotes himself as a fiery opponent of further military support for the Selenskyj government.

He writes, "In an economic climate as inflation carves up citizens in the U.S., Biden is sending taxpayer money to fund pensions to Kiev. "

Further, "He loves to send our taxpayer money abroad to secure other nations' borders. " His conclusion, "Biden puts other peoples before his own. "

It's about interests, not just justice

Bottom line: public support for Ukraine is eroding. The country's supporters must do what they have so far failed to do adequately - explain themselves and their motives. Governments owe accountability to their taxpayers, as well as to their military personnel, for the investments they are making here and the risks they are taking.

Without that persuasion, the Ukraine war, just as, for that matter, the Vietnam War once was, could fail because of a lack of support in those states that are funding this war on the Western side.

The belief that the Ukrainians' struggle for freedom is self-explanatory is a child's faith. It is about interests, not just justice. The West is not a supernatural place either. Or to quote Polish lyricist Stanisław Jerzy Lec again, "Those who seek heaven on earth have slept in geography class. "
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Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
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"The Russians are in our networks"

Cyber defense specialists warn of Russian hacking attacks. They represent a new type of digital warfare. German companies and government agencies may be targeted even more than they already are.

Germany is under constant digital fire. The federal government in Berlin, Frankfurt-based financial institutions, Munich-based defense contractors, the taxpayers' association, energy providers and humanitarian aid organizations - they all have to defend themselves against cyberattacks. Just recently, hackers took down the websites of German airports using relatively simple methods. Their attacks are well camouflaged, but in the search for the perpetrators, eyes are turning toward Russia.

Several cybersecurity experts interviewed by F.A.Z. and a new analysis by Internet company Google report a new type of digital warfare and see a "politicization of attacks." Germany is one of the countries increasingly targeted by Russian-based hacker groups. The main target is Ukraine, where, according to Google, cyberattacks already skyrocketed last fall and where the Defense Ministry in particular was attacked.

The vice president of the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) had already warned last summer at the HPI security conference in Potsdam: "Russia is in our networks. China is in our networks." Now, IBM security experts declare in their X-Force security report that Russia is massively arming itself on the digital front. And Google, in its new "Fog of War" analysis, describes how Moscow is pulling out all the stops to do so, recruiting private hacker gangs and harnessing them to the cart of the GRU military intelligence agency.

IT security companies such as German firms Link11 or Avira and U.S. technology groups also repeatedly report masses of Russian cyberattacks. "We're seeing a kind of politicization of attacks at the moment," says Marc Korthaus of Berlin-based security firm Sys11. With the German government's decision to supply battle tanks to Ukraine, the number of attacks on German targets skyrocketed. "But these were not sophisticated and particularly sophisticated attacks," he explains. "And that worries us. Because these attacks are little more than a warning signal - and we have to take that seriously. So we should look closely at what was going on in the networks there before the actual attack on Ukraine." That's because relatively simple attacks - like the recent one in Germany - were followed by technically smart attacks.

Alexander Vuckevic, director of Protection Labs at IT security firm Avira, says, "Every time Europe tightened sanctions against Russia or pushed aid to Ukraine, hackers massaged their attacks. The Bundestag voted in favor of tank deliveries - a wave of attacks swept over German IT systems. At the security conference in Munich, Moscow's invasion was pilloried - hackers attacked NATO's IT systems. Bulgaria sided with Ukraine - the Russian Killnet group attacked the government's computers in Sofia.

Christian Dörr, professor of cybersecurity at the Hasso Plattner Institute (HPI) in Potsdam, says, "Cyber war exists." It's just showing up in a different way than we thought. Among other things, he says, the Russians have learned lessons from their "Viasat hack." A year ago, hackers had attacked the communications satellites of U.S. operator Viasat used by Ukraine - and also hit data links of German wind turbines. In 2017, the Russians had caused heavy collateral damage with the Not-Petya Trojan attack. The malware first attacked Ukrainian banks, but then spread uncontrollably throughout the global data networks - and thus also found its way onto the computers of companies such as Beiersdorf and Maersk.

Today, the Russians are trying their hand at digital precision attacks, says HPI security specialist Dörr. According to analyses by Google parent company Alphabet, Moscow is having cyber groups attack selected targets with customized software in order to prevent digital viruses, worms or Trojans from spilling over into the vastness of the Internet. Russian cyber mercenary groups such as Frozenlake, Pusha or Krymsky Bridge can now draw on arsenals of digital weapons. Their scattering effect in the digital space can be limited, but that does not make them any less dangerous.

For example, the Ukraine war continues to put even experienced cyber specialists like Sandra Joyce in dicey situations. Joyce heads global threat intelligence at Mandiant, an IT security company that was just bought by Google's cloud division. The company is known for its rapid digital response force. When hackers from Russia attacked Ukrainian businesses or government agencies and the Mandiant team provided first aid, communications might suddenly cut off, Joyce says. "Time and time again, the power went out because of bombings, or the contacts had to go into the bunker."

That's because the cyberattacks have a system. The Russians precisely prepared the majority of attacks by their artillery, infantry and tank forces through the use of malware in cyberspace. They not only bomb power plants or clinics, they also target computing and data centers. "In the first four months of the war alone, we've seen more destructive attacks than in the previous eight years," Joyce says.

Unlike ransomware attacks on civilian targets, in which hackers penetrate their victims' systems, hijack their data, encrypt it and release it only after paying a ransom, war hackers use special programs to erase their enemies' data. The procedure: on hacked computers, the hard drive is erased. The goal: maximum chaos. Programs such as Paywipe or Caddywiper were developed years ago for this purpose. The Russians first tested these data destroyers after the occupation of Crimea. Google calls them simply "destructive."

The key messages of Google's just-released "Fog of War" report are: Moscow wants to control the virtual battlefields in order to gain decisive advantages in the real combat regions. To this end, it is pursuing "aggressive, multi-layered strategies. These ranged from simple data bombs to digital precession weapons; from simple DDoS attacks that simply collapse foreign computers with data garbage to data-killing destruction programs.

Moscow's hackers had been attacking Ukraine with these long before Russian troops invaded last year. To bolster this network force, Russia mobilized additional gangs from the ranks of cybercriminals. Thus, it built up a small army of cyber mercenaries. "The lines between state hacker groups and cybercriminals are blurring," says Mandiant's Joyce as well.

The capabilities of these units should definitely not be underestimated, says Christian Dörr of HPI. They can camouflage their attacks almost perfectly, make them very flexible, and ramp them up or down at any time. After all, the Russian state hackers also use digital platforms, forums and resources of well-known cybergangs from the darknet - and that's where a lot of sensitive data of large German companies is now circulating.
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They woke up in Kyiv. This morning, German media rewproted that Zelesn ky had liked and supported the Chinese so-called "peace plan". These reports now are outdated, it seems, replaced by reports from since this afternoon that Kyiv now criticises it.

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Germany says it will deliver 4 more Leopard-2 tanks - whether these are additional to the already held back reserve of 5 tanks additional to the 14 so far planned deliveries, or are 4 from those mentioned 5 tanks that are handed over instead of being kept in reserve in Germany, is not clear to me.
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Almost the whole world is behind Ukraine? Far from it

Behind the noble statements of Baerbock, Biden and others, a vast country is opening up, populated by pacifists, sanctions boycotters and hard-core political opponents of Ukraine. Is solidarity with Ukraine eroding?

Last night in New York, the UN General Assembly again called for a withdrawal of Russian troops by a large majority. 141 of the 193 member states voted in favor of a resolution to that effect. Earlier, in an emotional speech, our Foreign Minister appealed for support for Ukraine, which is fighting for its freedom: "Each and every one of us here today has the opportunity to contribute to this peace plan. By telling the aggressor to stop. "

Just days ago, in a risky venture for him personally, Joe Biden visited Kiev by train and assured the head of the government there, Selenskyj, of his solidarity. "You remind us that freedom is priceless. We will be by your side, Mr. President: for as long as it takes. "

The inconvenient truth is this: It is getting lonely for Ukraine and its wartime president

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is in no less combative mood as she presented the new package of sanctions against Russia: "Together we are tightening the noose around Russia. "

Words can change the world, it is often said. But they can also form a smokescreen that makes it difficult for contemporary witnesses to see through the power relations that lie behind them. So then, on the anniversary of the Russian invasion, wish and reality are out of sight in the fog of words. "In the beginning was the word - in the end the phrase," the Polish poet Stanisław Jerzy Lec once said.

For the uncomfortable truth is this: It is getting lonely for Ukraine and its war president. Behind the noble statements of Baerbock, Biden and others, a vast country is opening up, populated by pacifists, sanctions boycotters and hard-core political opponents of Ukraine. And all three groups, which makes the development so dangerous for Ukraine, are at home in the democratic states of this world.

1. the profiteers

There are still states and companies that buy from Russia for economic reasons - including sanctioned goods.

Poland, for example, continues to buy Russian oil even after the oil embargo. In early February, Maciej Małecki, state secretary at the Ministry of State Property, admitted that Poland continues to buy ten percent of its oil - 20,000 tons per month - from Russia. He said the contract with Russian gas producer Tatneft could not be terminated or compensation payments would be due. Solidarity by class.

Pipelines: Europe continues to buy

To date, there is no EU gas embargo. Although gas no longer flows through Nordstream 1 and 2, Russia delivers its gas via other routes. The Transgas and Turkstream pipelines are active, and the Russians are also heavily involved in the liquids business. Around 500 million cubic meters of pipeline gas per week and 1500 cubic meters of LNG per month are currently imported by the EU. The top buyers include France, Spain and Belgium, according to price information service ICS.

Sanctioned goods from Russia - for example cement, caviar, gold, plastics and wood - also continue to find their way, including to Germany. Robert Habeck's Ministry of Economics is now admitting for the first time that the sanctions offer many loopholes that are used by states and companies. "It is obvious that sanctions are being circumvented here. "

Europe buys Russian gas

India is the typical beneficiary, as this world's largest democracy seized the opportunity to import cheaply the quantities of Russian oil and gas freed up by Western restraint. Unlike Poland, India cannot even bring itself to clearly condemn the Ukraine war. The country is trying to capitalize on the conflict.

2. The pacifist-minded

All over the world, a pacifist sentiment has spread, ostensibly promoting a quick and non-violent end to the war, but with it Ukraine's surrender and lack of freedom.

The Manifesto for Peace, initiated by Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Schwarzer, gathers people like Antje Vollmer, Margot Käßmann, but also conservative politicians like Peter Gauweiler, who do not want to deliver any more weapons to Ukraine and thus leave it defenseless to Russian aggression: "We call on the German Chancellor to stop the escalation of arms deliveries."

3. the political opponents

This group is the most dangerous for Ukraine because it is particularly active in the U.S., attacking Ukraine's main sponsor, the government in Washington. Donald Trump's conservative challenger, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, unequivocally opposes military aid from Joe Biden's administration. "Just saying it's an open-ended blank check, that is not acceptable."

Continuing, "I and many Americans think to ourselves, okay, he's very concerned about the borders on the other side of the world. He hasn't done anything to secure our own border here at home. "

Donald Trump doesn't want to miss this train, which is on a high-speed collision course with Washington. In a fundraising appeal to finance his campaign, he promotes himself as a fiery opponent of further military support for the Selenskyj government.

He writes, "In an economic climate as inflation carves up citizens in the U.S., Biden is sending taxpayer money to fund pensions to Kiev. "

Further, "He loves to send our taxpayer money abroad to secure other nations' borders. " His conclusion, "Biden puts other peoples before his own. "

It's about interests, not just justice

Bottom line: public support for Ukraine is eroding. The country's supporters must do what they have so far failed to do adequately - explain themselves and their motives. Governments owe accountability to their taxpayers, as well as to their military personnel, for the investments they are making here and the risks they are taking.

Without that persuasion, the Ukraine war, just as, for that matter, the Vietnam War once was, could fail because of a lack of support in those states that are funding this war on the Western side.

The belief that the Ukrainians' struggle for freedom is self-explanatory is a child's faith. It is about interests, not just justice. The West is not a supernatural place either. Or to quote Polish lyricist Stanisław Jerzy Lec again, "Those who seek heaven on earth have slept in geography class. "
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More than 50 countries allied in support for Ukraine the Russian Federation has max 4 countries that could actively support their invasion of those only one is openly providing material with the Israeli attacks they have backed down on their support.
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Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
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"The Russians are in our networks"

Cyber defense specialists warn of Russian hacking attacks. They represent a new type of digital warfare. German companies and government agencies may be targeted even more than they already are.

Germany is under constant digital fire. The federal government in Berlin, Frankfurt-based financial institutions, Munich-based defense contractors, the taxpayers' association, energy providers and humanitarian aid organizations - they all have to defend themselves against cyberattacks. Just recently, hackers took down the websites of German airports using relatively simple methods. Their attacks are well camouflaged, but in the search for the perpetrators, eyes are turning toward Russia.

Several cybersecurity experts interviewed by F.A.Z. and a new analysis by Internet company Google report a new type of digital warfare and see a "politicization of attacks." Germany is one of the countries increasingly targeted by Russian-based hacker groups. The main target is Ukraine, where, according to Google, cyberattacks already skyrocketed last fall and where the Defense Ministry in particular was attacked.

The vice president of the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) had already warned last summer at the HPI security conference in Potsdam: "Russia is in our networks. China is in our networks." Now, IBM security experts declare in their X-Force security report that Russia is massively arming itself on the digital front. And Google, in its new "Fog of War" analysis, describes how Moscow is pulling out all the stops to do so, recruiting private hacker gangs and harnessing them to the cart of the GRU military intelligence agency.

IT security companies such as German firms Link11 or Avira and U.S. technology groups also repeatedly report masses of Russian cyberattacks. "We're seeing a kind of politicization of attacks at the moment," says Marc Korthaus of Berlin-based security firm Sys11. With the German government's decision to supply battle tanks to Ukraine, the number of attacks on German targets skyrocketed. "But these were not sophisticated and particularly sophisticated attacks," he explains. "And that worries us. Because these attacks are little more than a warning signal - and we have to take that seriously. So we should look closely at what was going on in the networks there before the actual attack on Ukraine." That's because relatively simple attacks - like the recent one in Germany - were followed by technically smart attacks.

Alexander Vuckevic, director of Protection Labs at IT security firm Avira, says, "Every time Europe tightened sanctions against Russia or pushed aid to Ukraine, hackers massaged their attacks. The Bundestag voted in favor of tank deliveries - a wave of attacks swept over German IT systems. At the security conference in Munich, Moscow's invasion was pilloried - hackers attacked NATO's IT systems. Bulgaria sided with Ukraine - the Russian Killnet group attacked the government's computers in Sofia.

Christian Dörr, professor of cybersecurity at the Hasso Plattner Institute (HPI) in Potsdam, says, "Cyber war exists." It's just showing up in a different way than we thought. Among other things, he says, the Russians have learned lessons from their "Viasat hack." A year ago, hackers had attacked the communications satellites of U.S. operator Viasat used by Ukraine - and also hit data links of German wind turbines. In 2017, the Russians had caused heavy collateral damage with the Not-Petya Trojan attack. The malware first attacked Ukrainian banks, but then spread uncontrollably throughout the global data networks - and thus also found its way onto the computers of companies such as Beiersdorf and Maersk.

Today, the Russians are trying their hand at digital precision attacks, says HPI security specialist Dörr. According to analyses by Google parent company Alphabet, Moscow is having cyber groups attack selected targets with customized software in order to prevent digital viruses, worms or Trojans from spilling over into the vastness of the Internet. Russian cyber mercenary groups such as Frozenlake, Pusha or Krymsky Bridge can now draw on arsenals of digital weapons. Their scattering effect in the digital space can be limited, but that does not make them any less dangerous.

For example, the Ukraine war continues to put even experienced cyber specialists like Sandra Joyce in dicey situations. Joyce heads global threat intelligence at Mandiant, an IT security company that was just bought by Google's cloud division. The company is known for its rapid digital response force. When hackers from Russia attacked Ukrainian businesses or government agencies and the Mandiant team provided first aid, communications might suddenly cut off, Joyce says. "Time and time again, the power went out because of bombings, or the contacts had to go into the bunker."

That's because the cyberattacks have a system. The Russians precisely prepared the majority of attacks by their artillery, infantry and tank forces through the use of malware in cyberspace. They not only bomb power plants or clinics, they also target computing and data centers. "In the first four months of the war alone, we've seen more destructive attacks than in the previous eight years," Joyce says.

Unlike ransomware attacks on civilian targets, in which hackers penetrate their victims' systems, hijack their data, encrypt it and release it only after paying a ransom, war hackers use special programs to erase their enemies' data. The procedure: on hacked computers, the hard drive is erased. The goal: maximum chaos. Programs such as Paywipe or Caddywiper were developed years ago for this purpose. The Russians first tested these data destroyers after the occupation of Crimea. Google calls them simply "destructive."

The key messages of Google's just-released "Fog of War" report are: Moscow wants to control the virtual battlefields in order to gain decisive advantages in the real combat regions. To this end, it is pursuing "aggressive, multi-layered strategies. These ranged from simple data bombs to digital precession weapons; from simple DDoS attacks that simply collapse foreign computers with data garbage to data-killing destruction programs.

Moscow's hackers had been attacking Ukraine with these long before Russian troops invaded last year. To bolster this network force, Russia mobilized additional gangs from the ranks of cybercriminals. Thus, it built up a small army of cyber mercenaries. "The lines between state hacker groups and cybercriminals are blurring," says Mandiant's Joyce as well.

The capabilities of these units should definitely not be underestimated, says Christian Dörr of HPI. They can camouflage their attacks almost perfectly, make them very flexible, and ramp them up or down at any time. After all, the Russian state hackers also use digital platforms, forums and resources of well-known cybergangs from the darknet - and that's where a lot of sensitive data of large German companies is now circulating.
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They were always in our networks like we are in theirs what is noticed is that the great Russian hackers are not so great they even disappoint us if they are really so good and a force to fear they did not have to bombard the energy system if the Russian is so leet they would hack it (SCADA) we have more hacked in Russia the past year than vice versa. This is so hyped and hackermongering a decrease for the ink on paper.
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Drones Are Giving Ukraine a Wartime Edge
A $2,000 vehicle made in China destroys a Russian tank worth millions. They call it ‘delivering pizza.’

Discussion about the war in Ukraine has focused recently on whether the West will supply Kyiv with tanks and jets. But consider the humble drone. Even as Russia has used Iranian-made drones to attack Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, Ukraine has repurposed cheap commercial drones for use on the battlefield. Jury-rigged commercial drones typically carry small payloads over short distances, but they’re cheap and can take out heavy enemy equipment. Ukrainian fighters call it “delivering pizza.” In September in the northern region of Kharkiv, Stanislav Zorin, a 36-year-old drone operator for Ukraine’s 80th Airborne Assault Brigade, used a Chinese-made DJI Mavic 3 drone that costs a little more than $2,000 to destroy a Russian tank worth millions. Mr. Zorin describes it as “my ideal sortie.”

Ukraine also has used drones to improve the accuracy of low-precision artillery. “When the first shot goes in, you say, ‘Well, it’s 10 meters left, it’s 10 meters right,’ until you make it in. It makes a huge difference,” says Timur Khromaev, 47, company commander of the Territorial Defense’s 112 Brigade, who spent the summer flying drones over Russian positions in the southern region of Kherson. Russia has had vastly more artillery and missile systems than Ukraine. “Every shot counts,” Mr. Khromaev says. “Drones are fundamentally a platform that lets you do one of two things,” says Fred Kagan, director of the American Enterprise Institute’s Critical Threats Project. “It lets you look at stuff, and it lets you shoot stuff.”

The West has helped Ukraine with intelligence, but Kyiv has also relied on drones to peer into Russian-occupied territory. Drones “let poor countries do stuff that otherwise only rich countries used to be able to do,” Mr. Kagan says. “The Ukrainians have used drones to offset their own gaps in capability at a much lower price tag than they would have had to pay if they were going to do it in the more conventional military way.” Drones can also be used in psychological warfare. Samuel Bendett, a member of the Russia Studies Program at the nonprofit Center for Naval Analyses, says a pro-Kremlin account on Telegram recently featured a post by a Russian soldier who described how Ukrainians had used commercial drones to surveil his unit and attack its men when they tried to move between shelters.

“Movement is life,” the post said. “Especially in war. As soon as you are deprived of movement, you experience the difficulties with transportation and the evacuation of the wounded. . . . The fighter then gets the idea that he was driven into a trap and the brain offers options on how to escape. Morale then drops by an order of magnitude—this leads to soldiers abandoning their positions.” This is dangerous work for the Ukrainians. The short flying range of commercial drones means operators “have to be on the edge of the frontline to do our work,” and “we can be reached by any means of artillery,” says Ihor Lutsenko, 44, a former member of Ukraine’s Parliament who has been flying modified commercial drones in eastern Ukraine. “This is the most dangerous job after being in the infantry, but compared to the infantry, you’re a priority goal for the enemy.” Fatalities and injuries are common. Russians often begin firing at operators within minutes after a drone takes flight. Sometimes “you can hear when it’s out, then you can expect something [is] going to fall on you, you can hide,” Mr. Zorin says. But sometimes “it just comes in, and you’re just standing there. . . . It’s like an immediate explosion.”

There’s a high burn rate for Ukraine’s drones, which are at particular risk of jammers that can commandeer or down them. Civil society is helping replenish the supply. “Drones have been probably the No. 1 target for volunteer fundraising activities throughout this war,” says Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense minister. These efforts are nimble because they’re decentralized and don’t rely on military bureaucracy. Volunteer groups communicate with soldiers about their needs, then crowdfund the purchase and figure out a way to deliver it fast to the front. Chinese-made DJI drones are prevalent, with the Mavic 3 model considered the workhorse of the Ukrainian front. DJI didn’t respond to my queries, but in a statement in November the company said “we stand alone as the only drone company to clearly denounce and actively discourage use of our products in combat, including suspending all business operations in Russia and Ukraine to try to keep our drones out of the conflict.”

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For all the worries about the “Global South’s” position, it bears repeating that Russia remains more isolated than the Soviet Union ever was — even after 1979 invasion of Afghanistan.


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Sweden to send 10 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine
Sweden will send 10 Leopard 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine, as western efforts to provide Kyiv rapidly with heavy armour gather pace. Defence minister Pål Jonson said on Friday that the 10 Leopard 2A5s, modern variants of the German-built main battle tanks, would be delivered “as soon as possible”.

“It is absolutely right to contribute with heavy weapons systems,” Jonson said. “It is crucial for Ukraine.” Poland on Friday said the first of 14 Polish Leopard 2s pledged to Kyiv had arrived in Ukraine, while Germany said it would increase the number of Leopard 2A6 tanks it would send from 14 to 18. Spain on Thursday said it would provide six older Leopard 2s, but these would have to undergo extensive refurbishment.

The German government, which is spearheading efforts to assemble two battalions of Leopard tanks from various European armies, has expressed frustration that other capitals have hesitated to follow through on promises to provide tanks. Sweden is also providing two air defence systems, including a state of the art IRIS-T battery, which has already proved highly effective in shooting down Russian missiles in Ukraine.

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Netherlands does not have any taboos regarding F-16 fighters, - head of Ministry of Foreign Affairs Hoekstra

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands, Wopke Hoekstra, emphasized that it is very important for Ukraine to maintain its position on the battlefield.

He stated this in an interview with Ukrinform, Сensor.NET reports.

Answering a question about Ukraine's request for F-16 fighter jets to the Netherlands, the minister emphasized that there is no taboo, but it is better to conduct this discussion behind closed doors.

"In general, there are no taboos for us. But it is better to conduct this discussion behind closed doors and always in close cooperation with our allies," he said.

According to Hookstra, it is very important for Ukraine to maintain its position on the battlefield.

The minister explained how the 2.5 billion euros that the Netherlands plans to allocate to support Ukraine in 2023 will be distributed.

"A significant amount will be allocated for military support. As I said, it is very important that Ukraine holds its ground on the battlefield and that it ultimately shows Russia that unprovoked, illegal and brutal aggression is unacceptable. This allocation also includes humanitarian aid and recovery as soon as possible to help Ukrainians who are currently suffering from the consequences of, for example, losing their homes or Russia's targeted destruction of civilian infrastructure, so this money will also be used to rebuild critical electricity and water supply," he explained. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3402056

Sweden will provide Ukraine with air defense systems IRIS-T and Hawk, as well as Leopard tanks, - Prime Minister Kristersson

As part of a new military aid package, Sweden will provide Ukraine with IRIS-T and Hawk air defense systems.

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson stated this at a joint press conference with Defense Minister Paul Jonson, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

The head of the government said that Sweden will include not only air defense, but also Leopard tanks in the package.

At the same time, the Minister of Defense emphasized that such supplies are primarily a signal to Ukraine that Sweden continues its support by providing a new aid package.

"Ukraine needs air defense systems, it is absolutely important for Ukraine that Russia does not gain dominance in the air. This is an opportunity that we must ensure in the long term," Jonson added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3401994
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Germany will transfer 18 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine

Germany will provide Ukraine with four additional Leopard 2 A6 main battle tanks.

This was announced by the German Ministry of Defense based on the joint decision of Defense Minister Boris Pistorius and his military advisors, informed by Censor.NET with reference to "Euro Integration".

According to the decision, four tanks will arrive from the warehouses of the Bundeswehr. Thus, Germany will supply Ukraine with 18 main battle tanks instead of the 14 previously reported.

"Thanks to this decision, we can now, together with our Portuguese and Swedish partners, provide a mixed Ukrainian battalion," the ministry said in a statement. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3402018

"War in Ukraine started reboot of NATO," - Zelensky

President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that the war in Ukraine has led to reforming the state of the defense system in NATO.

As Censor.NET informs, he stated this during the press conference "February. The Year of Invincibility".

"The war in Ukraine started the reboot of NATO. That's how it is. Everyone checked and understood that the systems are not improved, and that more powerful things are needed. I'm not talking about shells, a lot of money is invested in cyberspace, protection against cyber-attacks, information independence, drones, IT, the latest technologies. This is reforming the state of its defense system. Everyone has seen what can be expected from the Russian Federation," the president noted. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3402029

Zelensky on negotiations with Putin: There is no one to talk to

President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that there is no possibility of negotiations with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimirr Putin.

He stated this during a press conference, Censor.NET reports.

"Erdogan knows my position (regarding the possibility of holding talks with Putin in Turkey - ed.). I don't accept it," Zelensky said.

The President of Ukraine said that he appealed to the President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before the start of a full-scale war, that the President of Russia "be put at the negotiating table."

"Put negotiations on the table, we cannot allow the risks of a full-scale war. Erdogan could not do it then. And not only he, he is powerful. He could not. And now he thinks he can. Now we can't, Putin is not the same person, there is no one to talk to," Zelensky noted. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3402046

I don’t care what will happen to Russia after defeat, - Zelensky

President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he does not think about what will happen to Russia after the defeat in the war against Ukraine.

As reported by Censor.NET, he stated this during the press conference "February. The Year of Invincibility".

"Many states have really started talking about what will happen after the defeat (of Russia. - Ed.). I believe that informationally, this is in favor of Ukraine. It is important that the faith of states, the faith of leaders, and therefore societies. This is a signal to us that most countries, at least in Europe, believe in the victory of Ukraine. This means the defeat of Moscow. The main question is: what will happen to Russia then. Honestly, I don't care. ... If they thought about their freedom of speech, democracy, about their people, that they would not be beggars, that they would not have slavery, etc. ... They would be a rich country because they are a naturally rich country," he said.

According to Zelensky, all adequate states think what they would do for their society, and some think about what they would do against others.

"That's why it's a question of their history, their future. And I don't think about it. ... I think that the elite, the very business of the Russian Federation, which is absolutely justly sanctioned now, all this is a dislike of these people, who are very rich. ... But now all this, they have no comfort. They have what remains in Russia. Do you think they will allow there to be not one Russia, but 20-40? Do you think they will share their business? Do you think when everything is locked up that they won't think about what to do internally, and how to preserve these capitals? They will figure it out themselves. More pressure, more sanctions, and more isolation on Russia and their elite will think what they would do inside the state to want to sit down with their new policy. We are interested in this," the head of state explained. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3402039
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More than 50 countries allied in support for Ukraine the Russian Federation has max 4 countries that could actively support their invasion of those only one is openly providing material with the Israeli attacks they have backed down on their support.
India, China did not vote against Russia.

And the countries that did not vote for the resolution represent the majority of mankind, and a major share of its economic productivity.
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India, China did not vote against Russia.

And the countries that did not vote for the resolution represent the majority of mankind, and a major share of its economic productivity.
Without the markets of the West that majority of mankind will go into a depression, production can quickly transfer to other regions.
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The tank coalition looks like this!
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36 Leopard 2A4s from the 80s, most of them with unknown delivery dates.
178 Leopard 1A5s from the pre-80s, with unknown or very late delivery dates
14 Challenger 2s.
31 M1A2s next year.
31-36 Leopard 2AS6 or equivalents.

Note that most of the total of T-72s already had been delivered last year and by now are worn out or were taken out by enemy fire, says Colonel Reisner. These do not count anymore. Losses of Ukrainian forces have been high, too.

If I see the number of modern tanks that are not covered by dust, I think these tanks count less signficantly than the supply with far-reaching missiles, weapons to deny control of the sky to Russia, and securing supply with artillery rounds. Its estimated that Russia has 10 million artillery rounds left, and now produces around 3.5 million every year.

Sorry, but I stick to it. These numbers of Western deliveries don't cut it for Ukraine, they help to extend the war, but not to win it. Note that its critical infrastructure has suffered so much destruction by now that their production and factories are very seriously affected and that war production in parts is completely knocked out. The Russian bombardement takes its tolls, and this toll has already become dangerously high. Time is working for Russia, with Western public opinion's sympathy slowly but constantly fading away.

Different to many others I do not give much for UN resolutions, also not for the one from yesterday, thats just verbal mumbo-jumbo. Its cheap for those who voted. Economc ties and dependencies will be rated more important sooner or later by many African states and Latin American states as well. India already does not even hide that it intends to benefit from the Russian situation as much as it can. China will do and already does the same.



Adn the West still buys signfivcantly from Russia: oil, gas, ressoeuces, with sancitons beign seriously undermined by Westenr companies. Most Western companies that were busy in the West - STILL ARE SO. Neither the economical drying-out nor the financial collapse of the Russian currency will take place.


Too little to win. Too much to die. No reaosn to tapm ourselves on the shoulders. We still have not moved to war production. We still have not placed serious levels of orders with ammo and arms suppliers.

Colonel Reisner mentioned on an Austrian video blog yesterday that the costs for weapons have risen sharply. An Iris-T missile one year ago costed 400,000 Euros, according to him. It now costs 780,000 Euros.

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36 Leopard 2A4s from the 80s, most of them with unknown delivery dates.
178 Leopard 1A5s from the pre-80s, with unknown or very late delivery dates
14 Challenger 2s.
31 M1A2s next year.
31-36 Leopard 2AS6 or equivalents.

Note that most of the total of T-72s already had been delivered last year and by now are worn out or were taken out by enemy fire, says Colonel Reisner. These do not count anymore. Losses of Ukrainian forces have been high, too.

If I see the number of modern tanks that are not covered by dust, I think these tanks count less signficantly than the supply with far-reaching missiles, weapons to deny control of the sky to Russia, and securing supply with artillery rounds. Its estimated that Russia has 10 million artillery rounds left, and now produces around 3.5 million every year.

Sorry, but I stick to it. These numbers of Western deliveries don't cut it for Ukraine, they help to extend the war, but not to win it. Note that its critical infrastructure has suffered so much destruction by now that their production and factories are very seriously affected and that war production in parts is completely knocked out. The Russian bombardement takes its tolls, and this toll has already become dangerously high. Time is working for Russia, with Western public opinion's sympathy slowly but constantly fading away.

Different to many others I do not give much for UN resolutions, also not for the one from yesterday, thats just verbal mumbo-jumbo. Its cheap for those who voted. Economc ties and dependencies will be rated more important sooner or later by many African states and Latin American states as well. India already does not even hide that it intends to benefit from the Russian situation as much as it can. China will do and already does the same.



Adn the West still buys signfivcantly from Russia: oil, gas, ressoeuces, with sancitons beign seriously undermined by Westenr companies. Most Western companies that were busy in the West - STILL ARE SO. Neither the economical drying-out nor the financial collapse of the Russian currency will take place.


Too little to win. Too much to die. No reaosn to tapm ourselves on the shoulders. We still have not moved to war production. We still have not placed serious levels of orders with ammo and arms suppliers.

Colonel Reisner mentioned on an Austrian video blog yesterday that the costs for weapons have risen sharply. An Iris-T missile one year ago costed 400,000 Euros, according to him. It now costs 780,000 Euros.

GO FIGURE.
Tanks are on both sides, low in numbers and a $2000,- drone can destroy them for Russia to profit from trade with India and China it must build infrastructure that takes years to get on the same export as they had with Europe. India and China have the power to determine the price, so the income will be lower for Russia. For a real war production, Russia lacks the numbers in workforce the soviet could use its gulags that Russia does not have in numbers now and a klepto system is not good either as Russia is a kleptocracy it will lose on that also. We have placed serious levels of orders with ammo and arms suppliers, problem is they need to build production lines for that and that takes time.
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