Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I read (though this may be wrong) Russia has now 300,000 "mobiks" fighting in
Putin's 3-days "special operation to take Kyyiv", going into the second year now. Masterminds at the helm.

But i agree that the western help is not aimed in really helping Ukaine, it is about slowly boiling the frog; no one really cares about Ukraine and the people.
There is either a strong signal needed punching Putin directly: meaning putting all in including boots on the ground, or spare this useless "fight" with Ukrainians dying and their country being destroyed for decades.

If the US do not want them to win, they should say it.
Olaf Scholz will happily chime in, while the rest of Germany and the world will go on doing business with anyone as long as there's money in it.
Disgusting.

When I read this wisdom words I said it fits to Catfish comment

In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.

Markus

[tonschk]

Terrorist Psychopat zelensky regime is About to be ANNIHILATED,


Terrorist Psychopat zelensky regime is About to be ANNIHILATED

[Rockstar]

Scott Ritter? Putin is slowly and surely destroying what’s left of the Russian Federation, even before his ‘three day’ operation Russia’s population was already in severe decline, from pollution, low birth rates, birth defects, drug abuse, and now Putins sends 100’s of thousands more to an early death. And for what?

NATO is an alliance that protects its members from the very thing Russian imperialist nincompoops that are still living in 1929 from doing. NATO membership is voluntary it doesn’t roll tanks into neighboring countries like we see Russia do time and time again.

It is up to the nation requesting membership of they want to join, it is their right to do what’s in their best interest for chrissakes. Nobody needs Russian’s permission nor do they need to be concerned if Russia is offended. In fact we wouldn’t need a NATO alliance if it wasn’t for that backward vain egotistical jackass in the Kremlin.

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 135,740 people (+730 per day), 3,258 tanks, 2,251 artillery systems, 6,471 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

As of the morning of February 10, 2023, the losses of the Russian occupiers are approximately 135,740 people.

This was reported in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.

The total combat losses of the enemy from 02.24.22 to 02.10.23 are approximately:

personnel - about 135,740 (+730) people were eliminated,
tanks - 3258 (+3) units,
armored combat vehicles - 6471 (+3) units,
artillery systems - 2251 (+7) units,
MLRS - 463 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 233 (+1) units,
aircraft - 295 (+0) units,
helicopters - 286 (+1) units,
Operational-tactical UAV - 1970 (+3),
cruise missiles - 796 (+0),
warships/boats - 18 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 5126 (+5) units,
special equipment - 211 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3398921

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Scott Ritter? Putin is slowly and surely destroying what’s left of the Russian Federation, even before his ‘three day’ operation Russia’s population was already in severe decline, from pollution, low birth rates, birth defects, drug abuse, and now Putins sends 100’s of thousands more to an early death. And for what?

Go back a couple of days when I linked to a text on the war demographics. Most soldiers dying are ethnic minorities that are not "Russian", and of these minorities most are Islamic. Recruiting them and sending them into the meat grinder allows the Kremlin to shoot two birds with one shot, since the ethnic Russians' birth rate is below 0.8, and that of these minorities between around 3.5 and 5.3, something in that range. The Islamisation in parts of Russia ais seen as a problem since long time in Moscow. The unwanted Islamic minorities get thinned out a bit, their young males that are the trouble makers (Gunnar Heinsohn, youthbulge theory). The native Russians in the big metropoles get saved, the draw does not catch them as much as those living in the rural abandoned places that nobody has ever heard of.
~70% of the population in Russia is native Russian, declining, ~30% are ~130 ethnic minorities, a relative majority of these are Islamic, and their birth rates explode. A little bloodshed amongst the latter is very welcomed, from a Russian perspective. States are the coldest of all cold monsters. Stalinism in action again.

The longterm demographic perspectives over the next decades are not relevant in this war.

[Skybird]

A subjective opinion piece by German blogger Roger Letsch, trying to make sense of the Hersh article on the Nordstream detionation:
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Northstream: Explosives in every respect

Did the U.S. Army blow up the Northstream pipelines with the help of Norway? Seymour Hersh, veteran journalistic investigator, makes this thesis in a detailed account. The case is making waves. A preliminary assessment.

Seymor Hersh's story, available to everyone on the "Substack" platform, has been making waves since yesterday and prompted the US government to issue a prompt denial. White House spokeswoman Adrienne Watson let it be known: "This is false and completely made up."

The quick reaction to a blog entry is surely due in part to the fact that Seymour Hersh is not just anyone in the United States. Seymour Hersh established his reputation as an investigative reporter with his Pulitzer Prize-winning expose of the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War. He has won five George Polk Awards, two National Magazine Awards for Public Interest, and the National Book Critics Circle Award in the U.S. for his numerous political expose stories. "The story you're going to read today is the truth I worked on for three months," Hersh says. To which it must be added: Hersh, too, was sometimes off the mark in his stories.

According to his account, which is ultimately based only on an unnamed source, the Biden administration's plan to blow up the Nord Stream pipelines dates back to 2021. The command center chosen to attack the pipelines, he said, was the U.S. Navy's Diving and Salvage Center in Panama City, Florida. "Last June, Navy divers operated under the guise of a NATO midsummer exercise known as BALTOPS 22," he writes. The attached explosive charges were detonated three months later, he said. This would also be consistent with Joe Biden's announcement at a press conference on Olaf Scholz's visit to the U.S.: "If Russia invades... there will be no more Nord Stream 2."


Perplexity among German media

Hersh's article proves first of all, and this is a good thing, that the so-called mainstream media are no longer able to select or inhibit the dissemination of information. Right now and as I write, neither ZEIT, nor BILD, Spiegel or SZ are reporting. Even the taz, to which any "good" news about the "bad" Americans comes as a surprise, is apparently at a loss.

But the debate has long since arisen. The WELT takes up the matter. The Tagesschau writes: "Hersh's version raises many questions." The FAZ focuses on the denial: "USA rejects accusations about Nord Stream leak". Bayerischer Rundfunk "clarifies" that the U.S. "did not blow up Nord Stream pipelines." Deutschlandfunk chooses the "shooting the messenger" method and places Hersh in the vicinity of conspiracy theorists. On t-online, the counter-argument is that Russian propaganda channel Russia Today was one of the first media outlets to pick up the story, which is not necessarily a viable argument.

Of course, we don't know if Hersh is ultimately on the right track, but he is more likely not a Relotius [Skybird: Relotius was a liar working as a reporter for Der Spiegel who invented stories and made up facts that were no facts, but inventions]. On the other hand, of course, the evidence Hersh cites is one of those things, since he produces no documents, his eyewitnesses remain unnamed, and no one has yet jumped out of the bushes in exasperation to shout "Arrest me, I did it!"

You can read for yourself what Hersh wrote at the link above. So here's just a brief summary: Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan - all high-ranking government officials in the Biden administration - had recruited the personnel for the action with the help of the CIA at a Navy diving school in Panama City, FL, who were prepared for the action with the help of Norwegian specialists in Norway, according to his story.

However, he said, they didn't want to put a special forces unit in charge of the operation because it would have required congressional authorization, which, of course, would have made secrecy even more difficult. Under cover of the NATO maneuver BALTROPS22, the explosive charges were set in June 2022, which, at Biden's request, were not to be detonated immediately a few days later, but at a later time and by remote detonation.

According to Hersh's account, it was the Norwegians who dropped the sonar buoy that ultimately gave the signal to start the timed detonators. In both Sweden and Denmark, Hersh says, high-ranking military/intelligence officials were briefed at least to the point where they could break the chains of communication if the two littoral states somehow got wind of the actions.


One can wonder what our Olaf Scholz knew

One can think that all this is humbug. Maybe for Russian propaganda or a perfidious plan of the Republicans, although their senator Ted Cruz was not exactly unhappy about the end of the pipeline either. One can wonder what, in case it's true, our Olaf Scholz knew, if he cares to remember, or Habeck, who is currently begging for gas in the US. And one should definitely ask oneself whether, in view of our foreign policy of recent years, which has been characterized by arrogance and self-denial, anyone cares at all about what our interests might be.

And, of course, one must lament the fact that it was ultimately the damnable energy transition that allowed us to build the pipeline in the first place, against the opposition of all our allies and neighbors. One can also wonder - if one follows the circumstantial evidence in Hersh's article - who is really running the United States, Joe Biden or his apparatus. And you can ask yourself whether Donald Trump was really the worst thing imaginable to look at us from there.

But one can and must also ask why the Swedish investigating authorities are still so taciturn after four months and why we still do not have a comparably fluent and eloquent explanation that would make other authors of the blast plausible.

On the other hand, one is on quite safe ground with the prognosis: If there is a blackout or a gas cut-off in Germany because of the home-made energy transition ideology, the blame has so far been assigned to Vladimir Putin. That was very convenient. From now on, the Americans are to blame. That's even more practical.
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[tonschk]

You have no idea how much Utterly Completely Entirely and Fully I HATE the NATO Terrorists NATO Psychopats

[August]

Originally Posted by tonschk

You have no idea how much Utterly Completely Entirely and Fully I HATE the NATO Terrorists NATO Psychopats

So?

[les green01]

Originally Posted by tonschk

You have no idea how much Utterly Completely Entirely Fully I HATE the NATO Terrorists NATO Psychopats

ah you going make us cry but then what you want us to do bake you a cake,clap our hands and say congrads

[mapuc]

Was about to post a reply-Then I came to remember what Catfish wrote some weeks ago.

Do not feed the trolls.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Was about to post a reply-Then I came to remember what Catfish wrote some weeks ago.

Do not feed the trolls.

Markus

Yeah but it's ok to heap scorn upon them.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by tonschk

You have no idea how much Utterly Completely Entirely and Fully I HATE the NATO Terrorists NATO Psychopats

Then I’ll ask again, why? Hell, even Roger Waters said the Russian invasion was wrong and illegal. Though he did go on to call for a cease fire and for peace negotiations begin immediately. But if you listen to Russian media that’s not exactly what they have in mind as asshats like Sergei Mardan declare on Russian airwaves, "There's only one peace formula for Ukraine. The liquidation of Ukraine as a state!"


Btw you also stated earlier you will do everything possible to support Putin. Well here you go buddy, Prigozhin doesn’t have anymore convicts to chose from and just recently publicly stated he is now looking for foreign volunteers to fill the Wagner ranks. Go get’em tiger , show us what ya got!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Was about to post a reply-Then I came to remember what Catfish wrote some weeks ago.

Do not feed the trolls.

Markus

That’s the cowards way out . Just teasing.